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Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Applemuncher » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:32 pm

A couple of weeks ago, I began to research my family tree on Ancestry (I also got a months accout with Genes reunited). I've really enjoyed it so far, I'm back to the early 1800's with some of them but then I begin to struggle without the benefit of Census records.

In particular, my great x3 grandmother, Jane Bland (Born 1880 in West Derby, Liverpool) marries John Hooley on 7th December 1829, I can see her on all the census records from 1841 until she dies in April 1861. I can't find any record of her parents names or her life before 1841, except for the marriage. I've tried searching the parish records but I'm having no luck.

Can any of you think of anywhere else I can look? Any help much appreciated. :)
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Sylcec » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:53 pm

I think you have a typo here, not sure what you intended but guessing that Jane Bland b. abt 1800.
Anyway, using Familysearch I have found this person:
Name: Jane Bland
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Aug 1803
Christening Place: ST NICHOLAS,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 May 1803
Father's Name: John Bland
Mother's Name: Mary Daily
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Applemuncher » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:06 am

Hi, thanks so much for your help, you're right there was a typo, not helpful of me at all there.

The census dated Jane Bland birth year as 1810, which is why I discounted the christening record of 1803, I really don't know how precise dating was back then but I couldn't find a birth record for her either.

I'm a total novice so I don't have a real feel for how precise the dates and data need to be to rely on it. :cry:
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Sylcec » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:03 pm

Although many women reported their ages down, particularly if they were actually older than their husband, Jane does seem to have been consistent in reporting her age at census time.

Unfortunately my subscription to Ancestry doesn't allow me to view the Liverpool parish registers, but I get the impression that there was a Jane with parents Edward and Mary Bland - someone else will probably report the details for you.
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Applemuncher » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:14 pm

I have a copy of the marriage records so I know her witness was a James Bland but that's as far as it goes. Thanks for your help, it's so frustrating to have hit a brick wall do soon. :(
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby sdup26 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Just in case the 1810 birth year for Jane was right:
Baptism for a Jane Bland, February 1810 at Liverpool St Nicholas, daughter of James Bland of Gilbert Street, a cooper, mother Ellen. (this has been transcribed as Blund, but looks far more like Bland on the register entry)
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby 2012girl » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:49 pm

Jane's birth is consistent with being around 1810 so I would say that the Jane Blund baptism is very likely.

There are a number of other children baptised to James & Ellen:

Elizabeth Bland 19 Apr 1792, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Ellen Bland, 29 Sep 1793, St Nicholas, Liverpool
John Bland, 7 Nov 1796, St Peter, Liverpool
Sarah Bland, 4 Oct 1798, St Nicholas, Liverpool
James Bland, 21 Jul 1802, St. Nicholas, Liverpool (possibly the witness at the wedding?)
George Blund, 12 Sep 1804, St Nicholas, Liverpool (also transcribed as Blund)
Mary Ann Bland, 31 Oct 1806, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Margaret Bland, 17 Apr 1808, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Jane Blund as mentioned in 1810

Marriage of the parents:

James Bland married Ellen Langley, 29 May 1791, St Anne's Liverpool

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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby Applemuncher » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:45 pm

You guys are amazing :shock:

Would you mind of I asked where you got the information from? I've spent days looking. I have an Ancestry and Genes reunited account too but I couldn't find a thing! :oops:
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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby 2012girl » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:10 pm

Transcriptions of the baptisms and marriage I listed can be found on: https://familysearch.org/search

It's usually quite good at bringing up names if they've been mis transcribed slightly, but in this instance it doesn't bring up the two Blund results when searching for the surname Bland, which is how Jane's baptism is easily missed, so credit to sdup26 for finding that. If you search for the surname Blund separately then you will find them,

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Re: Can anyone help with pre-1840 records?

Postby sdup26 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:15 am

Hi - the Jane Blund record is on ancestry's Liverpool BMD's collection. If you enter Bland, even with soundex/phonetic etc, you don't get Blund, but trying different vowels sometimes works, so it was a fluke find.
Incidentally, to get the L'Pool collection, click on Births, Marriages and Deaths including Parish, then to the lower right of the screen, 'Featured Data Collections' scroll down the list of offerings to 'Card Catalogue' at the end. Clicking on that gives you lots more options that don't come up otherwise. Then you just click on area and time period to the left of the screen (United Kingdom, England, Lancashire, 1820's), and the card catalogue list will keep changing depending on your choice, and L'Pool will come up. Apologies if you already know all this, but you say you've only recently taken out a sub to ancestry, and it can take some getting used to.
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