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Postby edesy1984 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:38 pm

this is my great grandfather david harris during ww1. i know little about this war and i was wondering if you can tell from the uniform what rank/regiment (or what ever it is called ) he was in, as the hats seem very 'formal' for war. hope you can help x
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Re: photo help - army uniform ww1

Postby junkers » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:34 pm

Do you know anything else about David Harris, like when he was born or where? as he can be traced from online service records where they survive and that will give his regiment/s. The picture suggests that either he was an officer or he was in a regiment where he would be riding a horse like the Cavalry as he and his friend have a stick in their hands. A lot of people (myself included) don't know a lot about the First World War as it was a question of moving a hundred yards forward and then retreating or vice-versa but hopefully in 2014 it will become all clearer!.
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Re: photo help - army uniform ww1

Postby edesy1984 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:11 pm

junkers wrote:Do you know anything else about David Harris, like when he was born or where?


yes i know he was born 10th August 1884 and lived in Wales. do you know where i can look for online service records?
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Re: photo help - army uniform ww1

Postby junkers » Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:21 am

Try ancestry.co.uk
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Postby g w aldous » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:29 pm

My feeling is they are privates in the Welsh regt, the stick is a swagger stick not a riding crop.
There are a number of regiments with a similar capbadge but as there is a wales connection I feel its the welsh, the hats are standard WW1 dress caps.
the other regts that have a similar capbadge are the 10th hussars, 3rd dragoons and the lienster regt.
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Postby edesy1984 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:04 pm

ive tryed ancestry but no luck even when i put his exact birth date in it doesnt find a lot - any other suggestions?
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Postby Sylcec » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:34 am

Putting a precise birth date into ancestry, or indeed any other search engines is not usually the best route to take as it doesn't necessarily form part of the indexes.

It looks to me as if you have uploaded this and many other photos to Ancestry yourself, I also note the beginnings of a tree which give David Harris a wife named Winnifred Clements. Was this you? I cannot find any evidence of a marriage between David and Winnifred (or Winifred). However, am guessing that this happened about 1912/1913 as have found 4 HARRIS births registered in Pontypridd, where the mother's maiden name was CLEMENTS
Births Jun 1913 Harris Winifred Clements Pontypridd 11a 1132
Births Mar 1915 Harris David E Clements Pontypridd 11a 1258
Births Jun 1918 Harris Thomas Clements Pontypridd 11a 1067
Births Jun 1923 Harris Elsie M Clements Pontypridd 11a 1067
My guess is that a birth certificate for David E Harris b. 1915 and probably Thomas b. 1918, will give you their father's rank and regiment.

Anyway - you will need to let me know if I have the right family, before spending more time on this. David Harris is a fairly common name, so the more identifying details you can provide, the easier it will be to help you.
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Postby Sylcec » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:45 am

Have had a further look on Ancestry - the Edes family tree owned by Markedes would appear to be the same as yours. There are many more photos on this, including some with better views of the cap badges.

As far as I can tell, there is no surviving Service or Pension record for your David Harris on Ancestry. There are several medal index cards for David Harris in the Welsh regiments, but unless you already know his army number, or have an idea when he enlisted, it is hard to link the right card to your David. Nevertheless, noting that he had children born in 1913 and 1915, he is unlikely to have served overseas in a theatre of war in early 1914 or early 1915. Suggest that you send copies of the photos (or links to their on-line location) to the South Wales Borderers Museum to ask for confirmation of the regiment. http://www.rrw.org.uk/contact.htm
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Postby edesy1984 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:06 pm

i have a marriage for david harris and winifred but she is listed as 'minnie clements' (?) im not sure why. Yes the Edes tree is mine and my husbands tree that i am working on at the moment. the children you listed are mostly theres apart from one. the thomas harris born 1918 is my grandfather who is still alive but doesnt have the greatest memory anymore-do you think if i find his birth certificate it may be on there about his dad in the army?
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Postby Sylcec » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:02 pm

Yes - if you don't already have a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate, I would certainly advise getting one. S
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