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Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby jackyk » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:54 pm

:? I have searched and searched but I cannot seem to find the following family on the 1911 census:

Head - Thomas Mottram Penny b abt 1851 Manchester
Wife - Edith Millicent Penny (nee Hyde) b abt 1866 Manchester
Children: William Penny b abt 1889 Manchester
Millicent Penny b abt 1891 Manchester
Robert Penny b abt 1897 Manchester
Stephen Penny b abt 1898 Manchester
Stanley Penny b 1909 Gorton, Manchester

In 1901 they are all living at 43 Hewitt Street, Gorton, Manchester and in 1909 they are living at 102 Taylor Street, Gorton (from Stanley's birth certificate). In 1916 Stephen's war records show his father Thomas living at 11 Kay Street, Hyde Road, West Gorton,

Please can anyone help as I have tried every variation that I can think of but they are stubbornly refusing to be found ?????
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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby JudiB » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:52 pm

Hi

There is a Thomas Penny, born in around 1850 in Lancashire and married listed as an inmate at a workhouse in Lancashire on the 1911 census.
Name: Thomas Penny
Age in 1911: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Pendleton and Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 44-45
Piece: 24087

Not sure if this is the same man but might be worth a look. No luck with the family yet but I'll have another look.

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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby jackyk » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:17 am

Thanks for that Judi.

I had come across that Thomas Penny but, if that is the one I'm looking for, why would he be in the Salford Workhouse and not the Chorlton Workhouse which is the nearest one to Gorton where he lived before and after ?

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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby JoTolhurst » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:56 pm

This looks like Millicent's marriage. The address she gives may help.

Name: PENNY, Millicent
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Davies
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 1429
Name: DAVIES, Ernest
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Penny
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 1429

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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby jackyk » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:33 am

I am still unable to find this family in the 1911 census and was hoping someone would help me out and have another look at this for me. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes (and brain) will find the solution.

Many many thanks in advance.
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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby sdup26 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:38 pm

On the 1911 Census, I tried a UK-wide search for individual family members using P***y, in case the surname had been listed under an incorrect spelling, or they were temporarily outside Lancs, but I couldn’t find them. One unlikely exception is an Alfred Parry b1901 Manchester, living in Salford with his uncle George Gilmore, born Norfolk.

It’s possible that the family simply wasn’t enumerated for some reason. For example, Find My Past points out that some missing entries are explained by women refusing to be counted as a protest against not getting the vote, and there are instances where the whole family joined them in the protest by evading the census altogether.

Jo’s suggestion is a good one, that you get Millicent’s 1912 marriage cert to see if it holds any clues. For instance, what is Millicent’s address? Is her father described as deceased? Are any family members witnesses?
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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby ColinB » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:49 pm

Millicent's marriage , and another for William Penny a couple of months earlier , are in the Manchester collection on Ancestry. The address is 91 Gorton Lane which is among a block of numbers missing from findmypast's address search. I tried going through the images and found nothing for that address.

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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby jackyk » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:01 pm

Thank you for both of the above replies.

Colin, do you have any idea why there is a block of addresses missing ? Were they lost, or destroyed ?

Does anyone have access to the 1911 census on any other sites, that they could check the 91 Gorton Street address for me please ?

I am very grateful for any help.

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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby ColinB » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:47 pm

I've checked ancestry and fmp. There's nothing between 87 and 99 on either.

Colin

Checked the summary book - 91 is a lockup shop , no occupants
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Re: Penny family missing from 1911 census

Postby alanjoebaxy » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:31 pm

Hi
Not a reply to your query but one of mine . can you tell me where was hewitt street as it seems I was born there in 43 I saw your query when i googled hewitt st .
many thanks in antisipation

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