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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby SDV » Sun May 10, 2020 2:11 pm

Yes, I have tried to find her prior to the 1881 census. The only two mentions appear to be (a) her role in 1866 as informant on James' death certificate, and (b) her appearance in 1872 at Anna's court case. I certainly can't find an appropriate birth in St Albans.

The four census returns we have are all consistent, each stating that she was born in St Albans in 1843. Her profession remains the same too, i.e. dressmaker.

A real mystery. I think finding an early reference is critical, as it might clear up her relationship to the family.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby MoVidger » Sun May 10, 2020 2:32 pm

The aunt's consistent birth year of 1843 suggests she's too young to be a sibling to James Connelly or Mary Ann Boyd/Boyde. Have you located the Connelly family in the 1851 census yet?
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby SDV » Sun May 10, 2020 2:47 pm

No, not yet in 1851.

In 1861, they are staying at a Boarding House in Cheltenham, see RG9 1800 69 35.

Catherine - their eldest daughter - was born in Bristol in c1850, hard to be precise as there is no birth certificate that I can find or indeed baptism record. The search for the latter hindered by the relative scarcity of catholic records.

Thomas - the eldest son - was born in Rochester, Kent in c1848, again hard to be precise for the same reasons.

It would be good for lots of reasons to find a marriage for James and Mary Ann, which I presume would be sometime between 1845 and 1855.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby junkers » Sun May 10, 2020 5:05 pm

SDV wrote:No, not yet in 1851.

In 1861, they are staying at a Boarding House in Cheltenham, see RG9 1800 69 35.

Catherine - their eldest daughter - was born in Bristol in c1850, hard to be precise as there is no birth certificate that I can find or indeed baptism record. The search for the latter hindered by the relative scarcity of catholic records.

Thomas - the eldest son - was born in Rochester, Kent in c1848, again hard to be precise for the same reasons.

It would be good for lots of reasons to find a marriage for James and Mary Ann, which I presume would be sometime between 1845 and 1855.


It makes no difference what religion people were as central registration started in July 1837 and included all faiths.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby SDV » Sun May 10, 2020 11:45 pm

Unfortunately it does make a difference.

In the early years, some families did not bother to comply with registration, and this was one such family. For some time after 1837, some families considered church records to be more important than state records. Some families considered baptism to be a sufficient record of a child's birth and saw no need to bother the registrar. Indeed, in the earliest years, the onus for registration was with the registrar rather than the family.

There are no birth certificates to be had for the earliest children born in this family. So we are reliant instead on baptism records. And whilst there is a good selection of Anglican baptism records to be found online, Catholic baptism records are much more difficult to find.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby MoVidger » Mon May 11, 2020 1:05 pm

In case the aunt was living in Islington by 1861, she might not be found. Unfortunately, the 1861 enumeration books for the parish of Islington East (2), piece 145 are missing in their entirety.

Possible death for the aunt: 1917 - WALTERS, HANNAH M (age 74) in Islington. Looks promising. Be interesting to see who the informant was.

Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Hannah Mary Walters
Register Type: Burial
Burial or Cremation Date: 3 Aug 1917
Burial or Cremation Place: Camden, London, England

Just a thought: could the aunt have been related to the Daniels family? Which would make her an aunt in-law to Hannah/Anna.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby SDV » Mon May 11, 2020 2:40 pm

I doubt that she is a Daniels, as that is my own direct line of descent. The only connection that I know between the two families is through Mary Ann's eldest daughter, Catherine, who married my Great Grandfather, George Thomas Daniels. Sadly Catherine died at a very early age at Homerton Fever Hospital, just 3 years after their marriage.

I have now looked at the burial for Hannah and it does look good. The corresponding BMD record gives her age as 74, which would be correct for an 1843 birth.

PS I have just received the birth certificate for Mary Ann Boyd, who was born in Nov 1826 in Gibraltar, the daughter of Private Samuel Boyd of the 12th regiment and Catherine Boyd. Samuel was, of course, the name given to Mary Ann's second son, and Catherine the name given to her eldest daughter.

I'm still looking for an appropriate death for Mary Ann. She was definitely alive in 1891. It is not clear if she was alive in 1901, as she wasn't with her husband, but he was still listed as married. By 1911, she was definitely dead, as John King is a widower.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby MoVidger » Mon May 11, 2020 2:43 pm

SDV - did you see my edited post above your reply? Possible 1917 death for the aunt!
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby SDV » Mon May 11, 2020 3:34 pm

Yes - I commented in my amended reply that it looks very likely, especially now that I have downloaded it. She died at Islington Infirmary according to the burial register. The death certificate (Q3 1917 Islington 1b 129) should confirm matters. But I am pretty certain that you are right that it is her.

In fact, I am so sure, I have switched my attention to trying to find the death of Mary Ann King.

There is a possible death for Mary Ann: Q2 1902 Edmonton 3a 254. The only problem is that the age of death is given as 70, which is a little young. She should by rights be 76, but not impossible.

PS I have sent for the certificates relating to your find of Hannah in 1917 and for Mary Ann in 1902. As you say, the informants will be interesting, though in Hannah's case I suspect it will just be an officer of the infirmary.
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Re: Hannah CONNELLY

Postby MoVidger » Mon May 11, 2020 6:48 pm

I found Mary Ann in the 1901 census. Ancestry has her incorrectly transcribed as "Peary Ann King". Her birth year is 1833. Birth place: Gibraltar. Location: Edmonton Union Workhouse. Given the 1833 birth, she's probably the MAK who passed in 1902.

Just curious: whatever happened to her son Thomas?

Is this your Samuel Boyde? Three records with images on Ancestry. Occupation: weaver. Attested at Limerick. Physical description included, too. Let me know if you don't have access to the records.

Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900
Name: Samuel Boyde
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1796
Birth Place: Drumeliff, Sligo
Military Date: 31 Dec 1813
Unit: 12th Foot Soldiers

Name: Samuel Boyde
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1801
Birth Place: Drumcliffe, Sligo
Military Date: 24 Dec 1818
Unit: 12th Foot Soldiers
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