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Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby ColinW » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:50 am

I want to order a birth certificate of Selina Lena Hatherley but cannot find the details on Ancestry.

Selina Lena Hatherley was living at 13 Plymouth Road (Work House) Totnes Devon in 1906 when her daughter Lena Hatherley was born. This info is on her daughter Lena Hatherley birth certificate that I have.

I do not know who Selina’s parents were or when she was born and died.

Can anyone help please, thank you.
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby Mick Loney » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:02 pm

Are you sure her name is Selina Lena? Lena sounds like a shortened form of Selina.

There is a Selina Ada Hatherley born in Totnes 1884, Mothers maiden name Wylie
Ref 1884 Q4 Totnes 5b 167
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby Norfolk Nan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:05 pm

I found these on FindMyPast :

Birth - Selina Ada Hatherley, registered 4th quarter 1884 in Totnes, Devon, mother's maiden name Wylie.
Marriage - Selina Hatherley to Charles Pearce in Totnes, Devon 2nd quarter 1917.

I looked for a census entry for this Selina but found the 1881 and 1891 entry for a Selina Hatherley born 1881 in Chagford, Devon so there are others.
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby Mick Loney » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:17 pm

I also found Selina in the same workhouse in 1911, with 1 month old baby Edward Fear Hatherley. This Selina is shown born 1882, Brixham. Her occupation is Cook.

There is no sign of her daughter Lena in the workhouse, but she can be found at 13 Norton Terrace, Paignton, with the Edworth family. Perhaps Selina was their cook, and went to workhouse to have another child!
NB Workhouses were where one could get medical attention, like giving birth
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby ColinW » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:37 pm

Mick Loney wrote:Are you sure her name is Selina Lena? Lena sounds like a shortened form of Selina.


Yes the name is Selina Lena Hatherley because it is on her daughters birth certificate that I have got.
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby Mick Loney » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:29 pm

Colin,
Don’t get too hung up on Selina using Lena as a second name, the registrar could have made an error! Especially as her child’s name was Lena. He may have got confused and thought they both belonged to mother, and that she had two forenames. If she was illiterate, she may not have spotted the error.

If you really want to be sure we are looking at correct Selina, get the birth certificate of her other illegitimate child Edward Fear Hatherly (1911 Q2 Totnes 5b 145j, or see if she had either child baptised and what her names are in Parish Register.

NB i have seen some real bloopers made by registrars and Vicars over the years, they are human after all, and errors do creep in. In one of my marriage entries, the vicar used the grooms name for the grooms father’s name.
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby Mick Loney » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:13 pm

Colin,
Do you have a tree on ancestry (jedicolin)?

I have looked at this tree, and there are some errors which need looking into.

Using the official GRO website, one can check births and find mothers maiden names before 1911
Alice Beatrice is not the child of Henry Hatherley and Emma Piller/Pillar.
Their child is Alice Edith (1883 Q2 Newton Abbott 5b 130)
Children registered as children of Henry ‘Hatherley’ and Emma Pillar/Piller are:

Selina (1880) Pillar (note not Selina Lena)
Emily (1882) Piller
Alice Edith (1883) Piller
Harry (1887) Piller
Hetty (1890) Pillar
Frederick Henry (1892) Pillar
Florence Louisa Maud (1989) Pillar
Note I haven’t checked for all variations on Hatherley surname, just Hatherley and Hatherly

At least it seems to confirm that Selina was their child, but born in 1880 not 1881 :D
I suggest it might be the certificate your looking for (1880 Q3 Okehampton 5b 397)
NB Chagford is in Okehampton Registration District

Mike
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby ColinW » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:09 pm

Mick Loney wrote:Colin,
Do you have a tree on ancestry (jedicolin)?

I have looked at this tree, and there are some errors which need looking into.

Using the official GRO website, one can check births and find mothers maiden names before 1911
Alice Beatrice is not the child of Henry Hatherley and Emma Piller/Pillar.
Their child is Alice Edith (1883 Q2 Newton Abbott 5b 130)
Children registered as children of Henry ‘Hatherley’ and Emma Pillar/Piller are:

Selina (1880) Pillar (note not Selina Lena)
Emily (1882) Piller
Alice Edith (1883) Piller
Harry (1887) Piller
Hetty (1890) Pillar
Frederick Henry (1892) Pillar
Florence Louisa Maud (1989) Pillar
Note I haven’t checked for all variations on Hatherley surname, just Hatherley and Hatherly

At least it seems to confirm that Selina was their child, but born in 1880 not 1881 :D
I suggest it might be the certificate your looking for (1880 Q3 Okehampton 5b 397)
NB Chagford is in Okehampton Registration District

Mike


Mike

Yes, that is me on Ancestry. Looks like I have things to sort out then while we all are staying at home! Thank you for your help. Colin
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby MoVidger » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:41 pm

This family was previously discussed: topic18388.html
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Re: Cant Find Birth Certificate Details

Postby ColinW » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:38 pm

MoVidger wrote:This family was previously discussed: topic18388.html


Yes but that was about her daughter, I am after details about the mum.
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