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Unusual surnames

Postby Dave R » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:48 am

Researching my brother-in-laws family (more interesting than mine lol) I'm finding the surname Gastineau (earliest I have is 1759 Charles) . They are appearing in non-conformist registers, so my suspicion is that they may have been Huguenots, purely based on French sounding name and the registers. Does this sound feasible, and any way of tracking when they might have arrived in England anyone know?
Taking another twist, 4 x Gt Grandfather married a lady with surname Schultz (which I can trace to John Fredrick Schultz married 1778). This sounds more Germanic, any thought son Schultz's arriving in England or are they also Calvinists from another area somehow?
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby MoVidger » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:40 pm

You haven't indicated which sites (e.g. Ancestry, FMP, FS) you've used to research the Gastineau and/or Schultz family, nor the city/county. I'm going to presume it's London, based on these FMP records:

Faculty Office Marriage Licences
First name(s) CHARLES
Last name GASTINEAU
Licence date 19 Feb 1732
Bride's first name(s) Rebecca
Bride's last name TERRIER

Place of Marriage: Lamb's Chapel. Rebecca's father: Peter Terrier.

England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Charles
Last name Gastineau
Birth date 11 Feb 1735
Denomination Dissenters
Father's first name(s) Charles
Mother's first name(s) Rebecca
County London

England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
First name(s) Charles
Last name Gastineau
Marriage year 1759
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Ross
Place St Alphage London Wall

England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
First name(s) Charles
Last name Gastineau
Marriage year 1764
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Garmson
Place St Stephen Coleman ST

FMP have quite a few 18th-century records for the Gastineau family, including a Country Apprentice record dated 1766. It features a Charles Gastineau. Role: Master. Occupation: Weaver. A later record (dated 1788) features another Charles Gastineau. Occupation: Tea Broker.

England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
First name(s) Charles
Last name Gastineau
Age 75
Burial date 01 May 1780
Denomination Independent
County London
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby MoVidger » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:44 pm

There's also a Charles Gastineau (tea broker) mentioned in this Old Bailey Court Record from 1750:

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse. ... 7501205-75
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby MoVidger » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:29 pm

FMP has a 1777 marriage for John Frederick Schultz and Elizabeth Lord, but you're probably already aware. There are several brief newspaper mentions for a JFS in 1796. He is described as a "notary public and scrivener" of Clement's Lane, Lombard Street, London.

FYI: Schultz can also be a Danish surname.

Greater London Burial Index
First name(s) John Frederick
Last name Schultz
Age at death 70
Birth year 1742
Burial date 23 Jan 1812
Parish Bunhill Fields
Address Haberdasher's St, Hoxton
City London
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby avaline » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:51 pm

The website Huguenots of Spitalfields has mention of a weaver named Mathurin Gastineau resident c1690-1748, specifically Brown's Lane (1740s).

From RG4/4614 (the Foreign Church Register of Baptisms and Marriages at the French Protestant Chapel in Brown's Lane, Spitalfields) he married Jenne or Jeanne Chaboussant on 8 Nov 1692, his father was Pierre Gastineau, and her parents were Jean Chaboussant & Catherine Bellet.

One of their children was Charles, born 9 Sept 1702 & baptised 16 Sep. Godparents Bierre Charles Chaboussant & Magdalene Margot.

Their other children appear to be
Louise 1694 - Godparents Jaques Fruschard & Louise Chaboussant
Jean 1695 - Godparents Jean Chaboussant & Catherine Bellet
Pierre Mathusin 1697 (Jean Gastineau & Marie Chaboussant Marin),
Anne 1698 (Louis Gastineau & Anne Boucher)
Pierre 1700 (Jean Gastineau & Louise Chaboussant)
Mathurin 1701 (parents were also the godparents?)
Isaac 1704 (Mathurin Gastineau & Elizabeth Fouquet)
Marie Anne 1705 (Daniel Merigeot & Anne Snee)
Marthe 1706 (Jacques Larcheveques & Marthe Lami)
Jeanne 1709
Jacob 1710 (Mathurin Gastineau & Marie Marin)
Abraham 1712 (Mathurin & Louise Gastineau)
Elizabeth 1713 (Mathurin Gastineau & Anne Thomas)
George 1715 (Jean Gastineau & Catherine Marin)
Guillaume 1716 (Mathurin & Anne Gastineau)

Other Gastineau's were baptising children around the same time.
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby MoVidger » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:53 pm

See also this helpful WDYTYR ink for tracing Huguenot ancestors:

http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine. ... -ancestors
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby Dave R » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:15 pm

Sorry yes, should have been more descriptive.
My first record is Charles Gastineau, no birth date but married Elizabeth Ross 1759, and then Sarah Deeble date unknown. This is all London. I have seen on Ancestry he was a tea broker.
His son Thomas Francis Gastineau married Jane Elizabeth Mary Schultz daughter of John Frederick Schultz & Elizabeth Lord 1779 Kingston upon Thames. Schultz & Lord got married 1778 St Magnus the Martyr (which interestingly seems to be at London Bridge). I was trying to work out if this is Catholic church, and not sure how that fits in with the Calvinists.

I found this on internet since posting earlier, very interesting !

https://loughborough-junction.org/2016/ ... colourist/

Henry being 5 x GT Uncle

"He was born in 1791, the son of Charles & Sarah Gastineau. Both his father -Charles b. 1735 and grandfather -Charles b 1702 were born in England however his Great Grandfather Matharin was b 1163 in France. Charles Gastineau (father) was a tea-merchant in the City of London. He married Mary Knaggs July 15 1819 and had 5 children: John, William, Ann Jane , Robert and Maria who was also a landscape painter."

I take it the 1163 is a mis-type, I guess 1663. But seems to back up the theory of Huguenots.
Still wondering about link to Shultz's
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby MoVidger » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:54 pm

Further to the John Frederick Schultz (notary public) details I posted above, Ancestry have several Land Tax Records for him. And this record below which records his other occupation.

U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830
Name: John Frederick Schultz
Dates: 1776-1800
Location: London
Title: Notary
Occupation(s): Translator literature/education
Address(es): Change Alley, London
Office Holdings: Judicial Office(s): Notary
Source Date: 1791
Source Info: Listed in Kent's Directory, 1791 59th Edition

There's also this earlier record for a JFS, but the occupation is "Merchant commerce". No idea if it's the same chap. See record below.

Interestingly, there was a JFS (merchant) "of Saint Petersburg, in the Empire of Russia". In 1804, this JFS was described as a "surviving partner of John Scougall (merchant)" also of Saint Petersburg. The London Gazette (dated 1814) have the details.

U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830
Name: John Fredrick Schultz
Dates: 1776-1800
Location: London
Occupation(s): Merchant commerce(s)
Address(es): 9, Little St. Helen's, Bishopsgate Street, London
Source Date: 1782
Source Info: Listed in Kent's Directory for the year 1782 50th Edition
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby avaline » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:04 am

London Metropolitan Archives have a couple of Royal Sun Alliance documents:
21 Dec 1785 John Frederick Schultz, 7 Finch Lane, Cornhill, Gent
16 Jun 1787 John Frederick Schultz, 2 Love Lane, Aldermanbury, Gent
He’s also listed in the land tax records in Cornhill around the same time

Unless there were two of them with the same name, there are also Freemason records for him – initiated 1779 into the Jerusalem Lodge, Clerkenwell, and FmP also has a Royal Navy Ship’s Muster from August 1777 for John Frederick Schultz

There are PCC wills that have been attested as being a true translation by John Frederick Schultz (Ancestry have transcribed his name in 1791 as though it was his will)
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Re: Unusual surnames

Postby Dave R » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:35 pm

Thanks for everyone's replies. Will take me a little while to work through the detail !
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