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Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:00 pm

My grandfather Fred Lowe attested in July 1908 into the 18th Hussars. He was stationed at Delhi Barracks, Tidworth, Hampshire, for the 1911 census and stationed in 1912 at Scarborough, North Yorkshire for his marriage to Annie Stellings.
In 1911 there was a transport workers strike which led to serious disturbances in Liverpool. On 15th August rioters attacked prison vans being escorted by a unit of the 18th Hussars, 2 were shot dead and 3 wounded.
I know where grandad was in April 1911 and also October 1912 but was he a part of the unit which fired upon the rioters.
Tried the regimental museum but drew a blank.
Unsure where else to go. Can anyone solve my conundrum?
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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby MoVidger » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:51 pm

Hi John - the Liverpool Coroner held an inquest into the deaths, during late August 1911. There are several newspaper articles covering the inquest, dated around 31 August and early September. One example is the Liverpool Echo, 31 August 1911. I haven't looked closely to see if any soldiers names are mentioned. I can send you a few images from FMP, if you like.
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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby AdrianB38 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:54 pm

(So that's who your rather splendid profile picture is - it did occur to me that he didn't look much like a Midshipman!)

From what I know, I fear that you are on a loser. Firstly, you need to make sure that you have got as many newspaper reports as possible of the event, just in case they give a tighter description than "18th Hussars". Secondly (presumably obviously) you need to see if his service papers survive just in case they give some sort of clue. Also, could there be any information in the Liverpool archives about "rosters" for escorting troops?

Beyond that... From my understanding a cavalry regiment like the 18th would be split into 3 (or was it 4?) squadrons. With the proviso that peace time and war time strengths may not match, a squadron was about 150 men. I'd imagine that the escort was made up of at most one squadron so to answer your question, you'd need to know which squadron (say) provided the escort and which squadron your GF was in.

If this were war-time, my first port-of-call for "which squadron provided the escort" would be the War Diary - but War Diaries were used only in times of war. (Nonetheless, you should check what TNA has for the 18th at this time).

I have no idea whether cavalrymen's papers even record which squadron someone was in. If not, then even if you found out which squadron was on escort duty, that wouldn't answer your original question.

Sorry this isn't any more helpful but maybe it gives at least a context.
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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:18 pm

Thanks for your input. I believe he might have served in "C" squadron, although I cannot be certain.
I wondered if I obtained a list of all officers serving with 18th Hussars in 1911 from the Army List I could possibly find a biographical note pertaining to being involved in the shootings.

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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:22 pm

MoVidger wrote:Hi John - the Liverpool Coroner held an inquest into the deaths, during late August 1911. There are several newspaper articles covering the inquest, dated around 31 August and early September. One example is the Liverpool Echo, 31 August 1911. I haven't looked closely to see if any soldiers names are mentioned. I can send you a few images from FMP, if you like.
Good evening Mo. Yes please.

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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:25 am

Re your Army List suggestion - you need to try anything, so doing a parallel thing by looking at officers might help.

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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby junkers » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:23 am

Have you tried The National Archives where there is a history of the 18th Hussars (see the Discovery catalogue), the records are at Kew and not available online, also they may have records on the riot itself.
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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:16 am

Many thanks again Mo.

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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:18 am

Junkers thank you for the Kew suggestion.

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Re: Liverpool riots August 1911.

Postby midshipman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:21 am

Read through newspaper accounts kindly provided by Mo Vidler. Lieutenant T. G. Hetherington was commanding the 18th Hussars rearguard. The name might be significant as it wakes a distant memory.

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