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Postby OliveB » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:36 am

Hi. I’m researching my Great grandfather x 3 who I understand (from his son’s marriage certificate) was a Dragoon. His name is Thomas Handley , born around 1790. The only Thomas Handley I can find, who was also a Dragoon was born in Lincolnshire 1792 and was in the 3rd (Kings Own) Regiment of Dragoon’s from 1810 to 1819 when he was discharged for poor health.
The only reason I’m in doubt is because his son, John Handley was born in Leeds in 1822. I know this is possible but can find no other Leeds connections to Thomas and wonder if I have the right Dragoon.
I seem to have hit a brick wall and wonder if there’s anything else I can do?
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Re: Dragoons

Postby junkers » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:36 am

I think you must have the right person, The National Archives catalogue lists only one person who you have already checked.
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Re: Dragoons

Postby avaline » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:50 am

Where & when did John marry? Was he still in Leeds, or elsewhere?

I'd be reluctant to conclude the Lincolnshire man was the correct one without something more to connect him.
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Re: Dragoons

Postby ianbee » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:56 am

A bit of background on John..
Marriage of John Handley to Fanny Mitchell at Goring, Sussex, 2 Feb 1854
His father Thomas Handley, Dragoon
Image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... T-6983-8G7

In West Wittering, Sussex, in 1861. Piece 617 folio 35 page 6
John Handly, 39, Coast Guard, born Leeds
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=522269

Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books
John Handley, born Leeds, 2 February 1822
Watermarked images with TNA image viewer
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... r/D7539424

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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... r/D6611648
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Re: Dragoons

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Hello and Welcome to the Forum

The military is not really my area so bear with me.
The first thing is ,do you have John Handley's baptism or christening ?
I can only see one John Handley baptised 1822 in Leeds and his father is William a clothier and mother Jane.
It doesn't sound like your family .
Do you know any of John's siblings? It sounds like you found the family together on the census .Do their birth places fit better with the possible Ludford birth of Thomas Handley that you found?

I did find a Thomas Handley stationed at the Cape of Good hope 25.12.1812 -24.3.1813 in the 21st Light Dragoons but I'm not sure if that is the same man you found.Apparently the unit was known as the Yorkshire light dragoons.It was disbanded in Chatham in 1819.
It seems he enlisted 13.1.1806 as a Private W025 ref 903
That's all FMP has on him under Napoleonic Records.
If he was 18 when he joined up he'd be born c 1788.

There seems to be records available at discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4397036
But I've no idea how to find the reference number 903 or what info it would give if I did.
It seems to be some kind of accounts ,there is a list of men and then officers and they had date of enlistment and in some cases DOB.
It's free to look at ,but it is a matter of going through it.

Does that help or just make things worse?

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If you know what WO25 reference 903 means perhaps you can jump right to him.
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Re: Dragoons

Postby OliveB » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:08 pm

Yes Ian. That is definitely my John. But I have no more information on him being in Leeds. I have him listed as being in the RN - coastguard service - from 1846 but can’t find him in 1841/51 census. I’ve found births in Leeds and Lincoln but dates don’t tie up with the Navy


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Re: Dragoons

Postby avaline » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:13 pm

There is an 1845 Seaman's Ticket for John Handley born Leeds 2nd Feb 1822, giving his place of residence when not at sea as Wisbeach. First went to sea 23 Dec 1840
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Re: Dragoons

Postby OliveB » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:24 pm

Thank you Avaline. Where do I find the Seaman’s Ticket please?


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Re: Dragoons

Postby avaline » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:29 pm

Its on Find my Past
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Re: Dragoons

Postby OliveB » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:38 pm

Hello Ciderdrinker and thank you for the welcome.
I don’t have a definite baptism/christening for John Handley. I found the Leeds baptism but as his marriage cert states Thomas , Dragoon I assumed the Leeds parents weren’t right.
I found John with his wife and family on 1861/71 census but there are no siblings or parents in there.
The Thomas Handley you found in 21st Light Dragoon’s is a possibility but I had discounted it because the 3rd Dragoon info seemed to fit in better. I will check it out though and also see if I can search the National Archives for the records you mention
Thank you for your help


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