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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:21 pm

I don't know that we have not found the death for the correct Charles - lived in Blyth, died at sea in 1929.
Hope John won't mind
midshipman wrote:My uncle Charles Kennedy 1915-1995 was a pre-war regular soldier serving in the Royal Scots Regiment. Taken prisoner Christmas Day 1941 at the fall of Hong Kong to Japanese forces.
Aboard the Lisbon Maru when torpedoed by US submarine. Survived the horrors of the sinking to eventually be taken to Japan to work as slave labour in a shipyard.
Luckily survived the brutality to marry and raise a family in Great Driffield. A family hero.

He certainly was a hero.

This certainly seems to suggest that John's uncle was a son of the Charles Kennedy who married Annabella James.

Must take issue with some of this from Lyndale
Lyndale wrote:(2) The CK who married Annabella Anderson James (she born Q2 1895 Tynemouth) was born Q1 1890 Tynemouth district, but on his 1911 census he is living at home, occupation Seaman (i.e. Merchant Navy) born Cowpens Quay, Blyth, Northumberland, parents John & Rosina Kennedy, nee Semmens. This JK-AAJ couple had a child called Charles Kennedy born 6 Nov 1915, died 1995. None of the 14-odd trees on Ancestry have a death for this CK, but the only fit in the GRO deaths index is:- Charles Kennedy, died age 42 (born approx 1889/1890) Q4 1931 West Derby district (Liverpool) 8B/605. Note that both CK’s died age 42, which probably explains the mix-up.


Firstly, if none of the 14 trees have a death for CK from Blyth how can there be a mix up with the Charles Kennedy who died in Liverpool in 1931? No one has mentioned him apart from you. How would the age of 42 on death cause a mix up when Charles from Birkenhead and Charles from Blyth were born about three years apart? The mix up is yours.

For the record, the CK who died in Liverpool in 1931, age 42, was buried at Anfield Cemetery, 6 October. Abode 64 Frampton Road. Electoral registers list him there along with an Annie Elizabeth Kennedy. Not with an Annabella Kennedy!

Whereas the Charles Kennedy who died on the Ulimaroa, 12 August 1929, has a birthplace of Blyth (spelt Blythe on the record) and a home address of Albert Street, Blythe (sic). Can't be sure what house number it gives. Age 39. We know that he was married from the newspaper report.

So Charles born Blyth died at sea in 1929. Not in Liverpool. It's a question of whether it's Charles from Birkenhead or Charles who married Annabella that John is concerned with.That is a good and valid question that you have raised. They are not the same person. But the suggestion that the Charles who married Annabella might have died in Liverpool is not good at all.
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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby Lyndale » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:18 am

Hi Ianbee, thank you for your input. I posted my comments without prior reading everything posted previously, thus I missed the death at sea, which is of course the breakthrough that Midshipman needed, congratulations to that persons find. Everything I posted is valid except, I agree, the West Derby death I suggested, but I now trust you will see, that without my knowledge of the dearth at sea, I did choose my words carefully vis "The only one that fits is..." i.e. from the regular GRO deaths index. Midshipman was looking for clues, so my post on that score was to let the enquirer follow it up, but now I see the brick wall was broken before I got involved. I got in late due to picking up the enquiry from the WDYTYA email newsletter. I am correct however that Midshipman either has the wring CK or the wrong marriage details and hopefully, from my detail on each, Midshipman will know which is now the correct path to take and correct his/her tree accordingly. Cheers Lyndale.
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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby elsabels » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:06 pm

1911 Census has 8 children born to Thomas & Ann Kennedy 6 living.....you may need to add William 1902 & John 1905 to the sibling list....one other child had died by 1911 this could be Josiah....! BTW Josiah was named Joshua.

Charles Kennedy enlisted for the RN circa 1 Aug 1902, his final posting was 6 July 1918. The record suggests that payments were continued at regular intervals until 14 March 1927 full record on FMP.

He is on the 1911 census RG14; Piece: 34971; Page: 14 under Royal Navy Misc Locations Vessels page 453/649

Looking at the trees on ancestry, one owner has the surname Dwane....maybe this tree will lead you to a conclusion
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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby midshipman » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:59 pm

Sitting on my sunbed in sunny Spain and just seen there has been further input regarding my enquiry. Many thanks to all concerned. I will certainly have to reevaluate which Charles Kennedy fathered my uncle.
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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby midshipman » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:13 pm

Using new information provided found Charles Kennedy born in Blyth 1st January 1890 served in the Royal Naval Reserve. Found 3 entries for him with different service numbers, T3610, S3393 and U2921 which suggests long service.
Is his Royal Naval Reserve service record online?

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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby MoVidger » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:32 pm

Hi John,

Haven't found anything for him in FMP's Royal Naval Reserve collection yet. But FMP does have these two records with images (one which includes the chap's photo). Let me know if you want me to email the images to you -- in sunny Spain. ;)

Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941
First name(s) Charles
Last name Kennedy
Event year 1921
Birth place Blyth
Birth county/country Northumberland
Birth date ? ? 1890
Discharge number 696480
Card type CR2
Archive The National Archives
Series BT348

Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941
First name(s) Charles
Last name Kennedy
Event year 1918
Birth place Blyth
Birth county/country Northumberland
Birth date 01 Jan 1890
Discharge number 696480
Identity certificate number 349958
Card type CR10
Archive The National Archives
Series BT350
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Re: Charles Kennedy Royal Navy 221825

Postby midshipman » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:02 pm

Mo you're a star. Many thanks indeed.

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