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William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby kimberrywickham » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:48 pm

Hello

I am hoping someone can help. William Berry is my 3 x great grandfather, he was baptised 17 Mar 1799 to James Berry and Grace Crabb. The problem is who did he marry? He had 4 children William bap 31 Mar 1823, John bap around 1826 not found a parish record for him, James bap 07 Apr 1828 and Ellen bap 23 Jul 1834 who is my 2 x great grandmother. On the parish register baptisms for the children all have the mother as Mary Ann father William a cordwainer

I have found 2 possible marriages for William, 1. Mary Ann Fursman 18 May 1822 witnesses R Fursman and ? Amery 2. Mary Gregory 18 Nov 1823 witnesses William Gregory and ? Amery who appears to witness most marriages around this time. On the 1851 and 1861 census Williams wife is Mary Ann the only time she is Mary is on the 1841 Census. I do have Williams will but this does not mention his wife I guess she had died by then only his children.

I have been working on this for weeks now its driven me a little mad! as there are so many in this family with the same first names. If someone can offer any help that would be great, the information I have comes from FMP Devon parish records and Ancestry and research carried out in Devon Record Office.

Many thanks
Kim
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby kimberrywickham » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:21 pm

Sorry I should have added I believe Mary Gregory married William Berry a Butcher 18 Nov 1823 there is a Samuel Gregory Berry baptised to a William and Mary Berry father a Butcher on 17 Jan 1827. There were a lot of Berry's around in Crediton but I believe I have the right family they being Cordwainer/Shoemakers, the other family being Builders and a Butcher.

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Kim
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby junkers » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:17 pm

Have you checked non-conformist parish registers?.
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby ianbee » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:54 pm

There is a James baptized at Crediton, 27 March 1826
Parents William + Mary Ann Berry
Abode Crediton
Father a Cordwainer
BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1833984

and a James baptized there, 7 April 1828
Parents William + Mary Anne Berry
Abode Crediton
Father a Cordwainer
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1833984

With no burial of first James indexed.
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby kimberrywickham » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:13 pm

Hello

I believe they were C of E the children were baptised as C of E and all married in C of E churches, there's nothing to suggest they were non-conformist.

I took out a monthly subscription to FMP to try and crack this family as they have the parish register for Crediton but I seam to have really confused myself. I have looked at the parish entry for 27 Mar 1826 and that says James as well and as you say there is no death for the first James I wonder if there was just some confusion with the name? I will have another look.

Williams marriage is just as confusing.

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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby MoVidger » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:15 pm

There's also this 1826 marriage record (with image) on FMP:

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Dobbs
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Berry
Denomination Anglican
Marriage date 06 Feb 1826
Parish Crediton

Image indicates William is a bachelor from Tiverton, and resident of Crediton parish.
Mary Ann Dobbs, spinster from Barnstaple, and resident of Crediton parish.
Witnesses: William Elston, Ann Knight
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby kimberrywickham » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:37 am

Hi Mo

Thanks for this but I think this is a different William Berry. William was born in Crediton to James Berry and Grace Crabb he was baptised 11 Mar 1799 in Crediton his children were William 1823 James and John 1826 and 1828 not sure which way round they were born and Ellen 1834 I believe John was born first William and John were executors and administration was granted to them in Williams will, all four children are named in the will but there is no wife so she must have died.

I was wondering if the witness to son James's marriage to Mary Hood was a clue, James married Mary Hood at St Martin in the Field Middlesex 08 Sep 1851 one of the witnesses is William Fursman he could be a cousin but I am unsure how to make a connection, I think I just keep going round in circles I've been looking at this for so long.

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Kim
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby MoVidger » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:17 pm

In the 1851 census, there are three William Fursman's (marriage witness name) living in Crediton. As you say, he could be a possible relation to James Berry. Or he could simply be a friend.

1. William Fursman (age 20, cordwainer) residing with parents John and Elizabeth at East Street. Father John's occupation is "hatter".

2. William Fursman (age 34, cordwainer) residing with wife Eliza and children at St Lawrence Green.

3. William Fursman (age 27, shoemaker) residing with wife Jane and children at East Street. By 1861, he and his family are living in Marylebone, Middlesex.
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby ianbee » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:19 pm

kimberrywickham wrote:1. Mary Ann Fursman 18 May 1822 witnesses R Fursman and ? Amery

There's a Mary Ann Fursman bap 9 Nov 1800, Crediton.
Parents Robert and Joanna.
BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1833984

Age would fit, so could be a candidate. Providing she lived of course. Father Robert could be "R" the marriage witness.
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Re: William Berry Marriage 1822-23 Crediton

Postby kimberrywickham » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:54 pm

Many thanks everyone.

Mo I will investigate further the William Fursman you found to see if that leads anywhere, James also ended up in Middlesex as did sister Ellen.

Ian I found that parish baptism on FMP it's not as clear as the BT you found.

As for the marriage I am leaning towards Mary Ann Fursman the marriage date fits with the birth of the first child William in Mar 1823 pending further investigation.

I found an obituary for a Mary Ann Berry death 01 Feb 1868 in two news papers The Western Times and the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette on the British Newspaper Archive but I am unable to view it at the moment as I don't have a sub but I have saved the search to view if they have a free weekend, it might contain some more information. 1868 was the year husband William changed his will for the last time and Mary Ann is not named in it.

Many thanks again
Kind regards
Kim
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