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“Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby Zenergygal » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:04 am

Peter McPherson born about 1756 according to his land petition papers in Ontario Canada, was a native of Scotland, and came to the U.S. in 1773. He joined the British troops during the Revolutionary War and settled in Lennox and Addington County, Ontario. I have collected other records regarding Peter and his children, but nothing gets me closer to finding a home place in Scotland. Peter appears to be a close relative to John McPherson born about 1755 who’s land petition also says, he is a native of Scotland. The two men are close in age, and have always lived near each other in North America.
I have searched in Scotland’s People for Peter and John but am not seeing them with the same parents. They could certainly be cousins? With Ontario records being few and far between, I am hoping someone might be able to give me some idea where to look for my McPherson’s hoping to learn where they came from before coming to the U.S.
Thank-you in advance for any research ideas.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MoVidger » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:18 pm

With regards to John McPherson (born 1755), whom you surmise could be a relation to Peter, there is this entry in the United States, Transatlantic Migration Indexes on Find My Past:

McPherson, John - born in 1754, a servant from Inverness, from Stornaway to Philadelphia on the Clementina, in July 1775. (Also on the same journey are Janet McPherson, age 12, and Margaret McPherson, age 21. Both are from Inverness, as well).

Were Peter and John with Jessup's Loyal Rangers during the war? And did they settle in Ernest Town?

Also, try applying Scottish family naming patterns using Peter McPherson's children's names. That might help a bit with confirming Peter's family in Scotland.

First son was named after the father's father.
Second son after the mother's father.
Third son after the father.
First daughter after the mother's mother.
Second daughter after the father's mother.
Third daughter after the mother.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby Zenergygal » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:05 pm

Yes, John and Peter were both in Jessup’s Rangers and they both settled in Ernestown. I have no information on either of their wives, just names of the children that petitioned for land because of their fathers’ service. No ages, except one...and that was the one that I needed! It sent me back to this generation of Peter and John. I do not have any death or burial info on either of them. I can’t find a will... As more records become available, perhaps they’ll show up. And of course there is also the chance that I just haven’t found what is already there waiting for me:) I spend a lot of time in the Archives of Ontario, as well as other archives.
I have also worked records in NY where they both settled when they came to the US prior to the war. I’m not finding any new info there.
Thank-you for your help. I appreciate your expertise in this matter. If you think I should be looking at particular records, that I may not have ‘cracked open’ yet, please feel free to suggest.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MoVidger » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:14 pm

I noticed there is an online site dedicated to Jessup's Loyal Rangers. Have you tried contacting them for info? Peter was mentioned on their site: http://www.uelac.org/Kawartha/genealogy.php

I saw a website which mentioned that Peter (from Scotland) was in Balls Town, NY circa 1775. Or is it Ballston?

Is this your Peter? From the "Bibliography of Loyalist Source Material in Canada":

56 Rep. No.: 361
Originals, 1 inch, 1772-1812.
Family papers of the Mackenzie family. Malcolm Mackenzie was a farmer at Belleisle, Kings County, N. B. Letters to Mrs. Malcolm Mackenzie from her parents and a sister, Ann McLear, of New York; letters from Mrs. Mackenzie's brother, Peter MacPherson of Paris, relating to family matters, 1772-1812.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MayHam » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:00 am

MoVidger wrote:McPherson, John - born in 1754, a servant from Inverness, from Stornaway to Philadelphia on the Clementina, in July 1775.


ScotlandsPeople has a John McPherson, baptised in 1756 in Kingussie and Insh, Invernesshire, to Donald & Jean (Grant) who married in 1752. They had sons named Peter baptised in 1759 and 1761. I didn't purchase the documents to see when they were born but found two military censuses that say Peter was born about 1753. I couldn't find any child of Donald & Jean who fit.
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocih ... 53?r=1&s=4
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocih ... 16?r=1&s=6

Coincidentally, there were two Lt. Col. Donald MacPhersons who are buried in Kingston, Ontario in 1820 (aged 75) and 1829 (aged 75). The latter was said to have been born in Kingussie and recruited relatives to fight in the war. He was also an Uncle of Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188258907
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194906881
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/154 ... macpherson

One of Peter's claims for losses says he appears to have married in 1786. His wife is called Elizabeth. Coincidentally, a Peter McPherson and Elizabeth McDramid, both of Scotland, were married in 1786 in a Dutch Church in Schenectady, New York, about thirteen miles Southwest of Ballston.
https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse. ... cessSource

I've found six children who applied for land. The one in 1842 says Peter was deceased. The one in 1835 doesn't, though. I can't tell if Peter, Sr. or Peter, Jr. was the War of 1812 veteran without seeing the certificate which is not online. If it was Peter, Sr. then he applied for land as a War of 1812 veteran in 1834.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=
and
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=
and
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=
and
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=
and
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=
and
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/m ... sIdNumber=

I found several claims for losses by Peter who was residing in "New Pawley/New Pasley/New Paisley," Albany County, New York in 1781/1784/1787. I suspect this is New Paltz, which is about half way between Albany & New York City. You might consider writing to their Historical Society to ask if they have any immigration records? Hope this helps.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MayHam » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:50 pm

Just found the following:
REV. ROBERT McDOWALL'S REGISTER
Peter McPherson, Elizabeth McDearmid: Angus, No date.
May 1 Peter McPherson, Elizabeth McDirnond: William, 10 Mar., 1805
June 1 Peter McPherson, Elizabeth McDearmid: Elizabeth, 26 May, 1807
http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/mcdowall.htm

I haven't found any other record of Angus or William but Elizabeth applied for land in 1835.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/micr ... eocn6v65f4
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MoVidger » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:15 am

Great finds, MayHam! FMP have the baptism dates for Peter McPherson:

31 Mar 1759 - Peter McPherson, son of Donald and Jean McPherson (nee Grant)
24 Mar 1761 - same as above

FMP have these additional McPherson baptisms: Ann (1755), John (bap 18 Aug 1756), Hellen (1757), Evan (1762), Isobell (1763), Elizabeth (1764), Margaret (1766). Scotland's People may show additional baptisms.

Donald and Jean married on 1 June 1752 in Inveravon, Banffshire, Scotland.

You've probably seen it already - Ancestry has a 1787 record with image for Peter in the UK, American Loyalist Claims, 1776-1835 record set.

Interestingly, FMP have a 17 March 1797 marriage for a Peter McPherson and a Catherine McDiarmid at Killin, Perthshire, Scotland. Is this the same couple who married in 1786 in the Dutch Church in Schenectady, New York?

And lastly, probably not your Peter, there is this FMP record with image. He may have been discharged at New York (according to the image).

British Royal Navy, Ships' Musters
First name(s) Peter
Last name McPherson
Sex Male
Age 27
Muster year 1777
Birth year 1750
Birth country Scotland
Enlistment date 02 Nov 1776
Muster date ? Jan 1777
Ship name Cherokee
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MayHam » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:07 pm

Thanks, MoVidger, you are very kind.

It's interesting that ScotlandPeople shows a marriage between Donald M(a)cPherson & Jean Grant in June and July 1752 in Inveravon and Kingussie & Insh. They also show a son, Alexander, baptised in March 1755.

Sometime between 1783-1794, it says Peter married in 1786 and had two children.
John McPherson, wife, and three children are mentioned on the previous page.
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocih ... 89?r=0&s=3

A 4 Oct 1797 report says Peter & Elizabeth's son, Duncan, was baptised 9 Oct 1787.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/micr ... eocn6v65f4

Other children include:
Mary 1818- 20+, application for land
Margery 1818- 20+, ditto
Peter 1818- 20+?, ditto
Margaret 1842- 20+, Peter deceased
Elizabeth bp. 26 May 1807, 1835- 20+, application for land
Angus no date
William bp. 10 Mar 1805

Peter is listed in an online Loyalist census index here:
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oocih ... 20?r=0&s=3
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby MayHam » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:05 am

MoVidger wrote:Interestingly, FMP have a 17 March 1797 marriage for a Peter McPherson and a Catherine McDiarmid at Killin, Perthshire, Scotland. Is this the same couple who married in 1786 in the Dutch Church in Schenectady, New York?


Good eye, MoVidger! The above couple could have been related to the Peter & Elizabeth who married in New York. I don't think they were the same people, though. I've tried to trace Peter & Elizabeth's children, as well as, John's as best I can using land, marriage, and census records. A "?" indicates I'm sure it is correct.

Peter & Elizabeth (McDramid) McPherson's presumed children:
(1?) Duncan, baptized (bp.) 9 Oct 1787, of Ernestown, Lennox & Addington, Ontario (ON);
Orders in Council (O.C.) 16 Feb 1810- 20+ years old
(2?) ?Katherine ?(born 1789-died 1880, per an Ancestry tree), born between 1783-1794
(3?) ? c1791/ ?Peter of Ernestown, ?(b. bef. 1798- bet. 1851-1861)
O.C. 27 Feb 1818- 20+
(4?) Mary, ?(born 1793-died 1859)
O.C. 27 Feb 1818- 20+,
?(12 Sep 1831= Frederick Creighton, 1789-1873)
(5?) Margora/Marjory, 5 May 1795, Fredericksburg- ?(bet. 1861-1871), O.C. 27 Feb 1818- 20+
(6?) Margaret ?(c1796- bet. 1871-1881), born bef. 1822 (see O.C.), O.C. 1842- 20+
(7?) ? c1799/ ?(John c1798, Ernestown twp.-1871 - 8 Jan 1875, Camden, Lennox & Addington, ON)
?(= Emily, b. 1815, England)
(8?) Angus (no date) 1801/2- ?(1851+, of Camden East)
O.C. 10 Mar 1834- 20+,
?(12 Feb 1828 = Emely Darby, b. 1810)
(9?) ? c1803/
?(Catherine c1807/12, N.Fredericksburg, ON- 28 Nov 1881, Cramahe, Northumberland, ON)
?(25 Jan 1830= Jacob Mo(o)re 1799, US)
William bp. 10 Mar 1805
Elizabeth bp. 26 May 1807- ?(12 Apr 1878, Kincardine, Bruce, ON)
O.C. 24 Nov 1835- 20+
?(29 Feb 1832 = Malcolm MacPherson (1806-1893))


John McPherson's presumed children:
(1?) Born Bef. 1789/ (b. bef. 1787?-d. bef. 1789?)
(2?) Donald bef. 1789, O.C. 1797
(3?) Christine/Christiana bef. 1789, O.C. 1797/1821
c1808= Ebenezer Perry -- Ebenezer W. c1809, Margaret McCaul 1810, John Peter 1812
(4?) Malcolm, bef. 1801, O.C. 1821

John Clark's daughter, Ann, who was married to a John McPherson, applied for land in Ontario in 1797 as the daughter of a Loyalist. John joined the Army in Philadelphia in 1777 and came to Ontario in 1786-1787. He died in Grantham township, Ontario in 1789. His wife, Jane (or Jean) later married Mr. Hartnell. It's interesting that you found a John McPherson from Inverness who came to Philadelphia in 1775.

Peter McPherson & Elizabeth McDramid's marriage record says they are both from Scotland.
Scotland's People lists three Elizabeth McDiarmid's born between 1760-1770.
1. Born 1762 to ARCHBALD MCDIARMID/ELEN STEWART in Balquhidder
2. Born 1764 to ANGUS MCDIARMID/KAT. MCMERTINE in Killin. (Their daughter, Betty, was born 1755.)
3. Born 1768 to DUNCAN MCDIARMID/MARY MCVEAN in Killin. (Their daughter, Elizabeth, born 1780.)
There is an Ancestry tree that says the last couple died in Wheatland, Monroe, NY in 1829 but I cannot find confirmation. It also says Elizabeth died in 1769 in Killin but, again, I cannot confirm.
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Re: “Native of Scotland” where do I go from here?

Postby Zenergygal » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:30 am

Thank-you for giving me some new places to look for information and the time you have taken from your own research, to help me with mine. I better get to work!
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