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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:18 pm

Probably nothing to do with Karl, but the Lusitania was sunk around that time and the survivors were taken to Queenstown.

Is it worth looking in lists of crew or survivors?
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Thatman » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:09 am

Templ4r,

I am interested in your comment re the marriage. Previously you noted his marriage to Florence Maud DOWRICK which is correct. In a recent post you have indicated that you have sighted his marriage and his father was from Stavenger. Is Florence the wife in that marriage? If this is correct then the note re his father's origin is new to me and is possibly a vital bit of info.

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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:45 am

I thought it odd that on the crew lists and the newspaper Karl was from Germany.

I'll crop the pieces out
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:56 pm

I see from the NZ naturalisation paper he was born in Berlin, possibly to Norwegian and Polish parents if an Ancestry tree is correct.

Did he travel by ship from Liverpool to Hull in 1906?
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Thatman » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:56 am

The only indication that I have regarding the earlier years is a comment in his naturalisation papers that said that he went to sea in 1906. Supposedly he sailed on Swedish, Russian, American and British ships. He noted that he sailed on the Waterwitch which I have confirmed but it appears as though he only sailed on it for 3 months in 1912.
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:00 am

There's a C Holm on a barge in East Ham in 1911 says he's from Thoss, Norway. But it says he was born about 1889.
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Thatman » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:17 am

The C Holm from Voss is not the same person. I have previously eliminated him.

FMP has four seamen listed under Deaths at Sea including Capt Hansen. These are the only ones listed but a crew for this ship would have been at least 6 -8 men. There will be reasons for the discrepancy in listed deaths versus actual crew but we may probably never know.

Templ4r, I would be very interested in seeing a picture of the Dairymaid purely for the reason that my g-father sailed on it 1912/13.

The information regarding his father has given me a whole new avenue of research. Thanks to all of you who have contributed information.

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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:01 am

As soon as I get a copy, I'll contact you.
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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Thatman » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:55 am

I notice in an earlier post quoting a newspaper article that the Dairymaid disappeared with her crew of about 12.

FMP lists 4 seamen, including Capt Hansen, in their Deaths at Sea index from the Dairymaid so there is a discrepancy of approximately 8 others who either were never listed, never notified as being lost or somehow survived but do not appear to have been recorded as such.

One of life's little mysteries.

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Re: Schooner DAIRYMAID 1915

Postby Templ4r » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:10 am

The crew lists vary as to the amount of men aboard, so they probably went with who they could get.

If their bodies weren't recovered, would a death certificate be issued?
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