Lyndale wrote:Hi Gene-al, I'VE FOUND HIM! Cyril’s WW1 service record is alas one of the 65% odd destroyed in the 1940 London Blitz by a direct hit by an incendiary bomb which caused a devastating fire. I’ve checked on those surviving under JORDAN and JORDON and he’s not there. William Eastham Cyril JORDAN is only documented in only one obscure database found on both FMP and Forces War Records called “Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933”. His details are as follows: Name: W.E.C. Jordan, Attestation Date & Place: 26-08-1916 Croydon (Gene; he was conscripted on reaching 18 years of age). Age: 18 years + 3 months, Birth Year: 1898 (Gene; his GRO birth registration is Q4 1898 Reigate reg distr, 2a/180). Occupation: Furnisher, Height: 5ft + 6 inches, Weight: 122lbs, Chest Size: 31 inches, Address of Next-of-Kin: 27 Leslie Park Road, Croydon (Gene; this matches his parents address in the 1911 census). Regiment: Bedfordshire Regiment, Number: 28007, Medical Category: B1. Notes: Conscripted men, Recruitment Register No-1 INFANTRY. (Gene; Medical B1 is described as follows “Those who, while not attaining the standard of Grade AI, were able to stand a fair amount of physical strain and were likely to improve if trained. Men in this Grade had to be able, when trained, to march six miles with ease. They had to have fair sight and hearing and have average muscular development”. I have checked the campaign medal index cards and the campaign medal rolls on Ancestry and Cyril is not in them, thus this means that he either never served overseas (no medal if stationed only in Britain) or, he was sent overseas, probably France, but after the Armistice 11-11-1918, thus once the war was over, soldiers arriving in an ex war-zone after that date were not eligible for campaign medals.
From my knowledge of how the army worked during WW1, training would have taken 6-9 months, but young soldiers such as Cyril, were not allowed to go overseas until they reached the age of 19. This would have been Q4 1917, thus more than 13 months of the war to still run. I therefore believe that either his B1 medical category never improved to the A1 required or he was therefore retained to serve within Britain, or, they kept him serving longer in England and he never went overseas until very late at a date after November 1918. At some point after he was enlisted and trained as a Lewis Gunner, Cyril was obviously transferred from the Bedford Regiment to the 2/5th Bn (later called the 5th Reserve Bn) Royal Sussex Regiment, which by 1917 was based at Tunbridge Wells and never went abroad. I date this photograph to be late 1918 or early to mid-1919.
The cap badge of the 5th (Cinque Ports) Territorial Battalion, Royal Sussex Regiment, was used from 1908 to 1947. A Maltese cross badge with ball-tipped cleft ends, behind which is a Roussillon plume. In the centre, on a circular background, is a shield bearing the arms of the Cinque Ports, which shows three creatures, each a halve of a lions joined to the back of a ship, which is the heraldic arms of the Warden of the ancient Cinque Ports, which are the Sussex ports of Hastings, New Romney, Hythe, Dover and Sandwich. Cheers Lyndale
Gene-al wrote:Lyndale wrote:Hi Gene-al, I'VE FOUND HIM! Cyril’s WW1 service record is alas one of the 65% odd destroyed in the 1940 London Blitz by a direct hit by an incendiary bomb which caused a devastating fire. I’ve checked on those surviving under JORDAN and JORDON and he’s not there. William Eastham Cyril JORDAN is only documented in only one obscure database found on both FMP and Forces War Records called “Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933”. His details are as follows: Name: W.E.C. Jordan, Attestation Date & Place: 26-08-1916 Croydon (Gene; he was conscripted on reaching 18 years of age). Age: 18 years + 3 months, Birth Year: 1898 (Gene; his GRO birth registration is Q4 1898 Reigate reg distr, 2a/180). Occupation: Furnisher, Height: 5ft + 6 inches, Weight: 122lbs, Chest Size: 31 inches, Address of Next-of-Kin: 27 Leslie Park Road, Croydon (Gene; this matches his parents address in the 1911 census). Regiment: Bedfordshire Regiment, Number: 28007, Medical Category: B1. Notes: Conscripted men, Recruitment Register No-1 INFANTRY. (Gene; Medical B1 is described as follows “Those who, while not attaining the standard of Grade AI, were able to stand a fair amount of physical strain and were likely to improve if trained. Men in this Grade had to be able, when trained, to march six miles with ease. They had to have fair sight and hearing and have average muscular development”. I have checked the campaign medal index cards and the campaign medal rolls on Ancestry and Cyril is not in them, thus this means that he either never served overseas (no medal if stationed only in Britain) or, he was sent overseas, probably France, but after the Armistice 11-11-1918, thus once the war was over, soldiers arriving in an ex war-zone after that date were not eligible for campaign medals.
From my knowledge of how the army worked during WW1, training would have taken 6-9 months, but young soldiers such as Cyril, were not allowed to go overseas until they reached the age of 19. This would have been Q4 1917, thus more than 13 months of the war to still run. I therefore believe that either his B1 medical category never improved to the A1 required or he was therefore retained to serve within Britain, or, they kept him serving longer in England and he never went overseas until very late at a date after November 1918. At some point after he was enlisted and trained as a Lewis Gunner, Cyril was obviously transferred from the Bedford Regiment to the 2/5th Bn (later called the 5th Reserve Bn) Royal Sussex Regiment, which by 1917 was based at Tunbridge Wells and never went abroad. I date this photograph to be late 1918 or early to mid-1919.
The cap badge of the 5th (Cinque Ports) Territorial Battalion, Royal Sussex Regiment, was used from 1908 to 1947. A Maltese cross badge with ball-tipped cleft ends, behind which is a Roussillon plume. In the centre, on a circular background, is a shield bearing the arms of the Cinque Ports, which shows three creatures, each a halve of a lions joined to the back of a ship, which is the heraldic arms of the Warden of the ancient Cinque Ports, which are the Sussex ports of Hastings, New Romney, Hythe, Dover and Sandwich. Cheers Lyndale
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