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Re: Regiment of William Eastham Cyril Jordan

Postby Gene-al » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:25 pm

Hello Lyndale

WOW! What an amazing result. I am totally speechless trying to express my appreciation for your efforts. And, Yes. It’s definitely my man!

I shall always be grateful to you for solving the (for me) unsolvable. Probably the result of many years of searching and an innate interest in army records. I had tried all four major FH sites including a global search for William but it failed to suggest the FmP site where you found him. It’s the old adage, if you can’t find a record, you’re just not looking in the right place! And thankfully you knew where to look!

How else can one say ‘Thank You’

Alan


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Re: Regiment of William Eastham Cyril Jordan

Postby Lyndale » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:36 pm

Hi Gene, There is a saying in genealogy, "It's not what you know, but knowing where to look!" In my retirement I've specialised in helping people whose WW1 soldier ancestor's service record has not survived by using secondary sources, for which I make no charge. Your query, with its very clear photograph of Cyril in uniform, was a challenge I enjoyed, but it took two days on my computer, because you hinted that he often changed his names around. Having eliminated all 'Cyril's' and 'Eastham', the latter even as a surname, I was left with the very common name 'William'. I actually hadn't thought of the Surrey Recruitment Registers, because he was a Sussex Reg't soldier, so in the end I turned to Forces War Records and entered 'William Jordan' (endless pages of these, because 'William Jordan' is a very common WW1 soldier name) but no luck, then I tried just 'W. Jordan' and was faced with over 90 pages of 15 lines each! When just about to not even bother to start, I went right to the end pages as a last look, because these had a 2nd initial after the 'W', and that's when the name "W.E.C. Jordan" suddenly appeared almost at the end of my last attempt (i.e. W.A. Jordan was last, but I was working backwards). By the way, I found his burial record on Ancestry under the name "Cyril William Eastham Jordan" for 16 June 1930, buried in Kensington & Chelsea Cemetery, London. There is a link to take you to Deceasedonline site, where more info can be found for a small fee, or go to that site directly. PS: October issue UK Family Tree magazine, out now, has me inside answering a "Your Questions Answered" letter from a reader about Boer War sweetheart brooches. There should be a small photo of me there. Cheers Lyndale Melbourne (ex Birmingham UK).
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Re: Regiment of William Eastham Cyril Jordan

Postby Gene-al » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:20 pm

Lyndale wrote:Hi Gene, There is a saying in genealogy, "It's not what you know, but knowing where to look!" In my retirement I've specialised in helping people whose WW1 soldier ancestor's service record has not survived by using secondary sources, for which I make no charge. Your query, with its very clear photograph of Cyril in uniform, was a challenge I enjoyed, but it took two days on my computer, because you hinted that he often changed his names around. Having eliminated all 'Cyril's' and 'Eastham', the latter even as a surname, I was left with the very common name 'William'. I actually hadn't thought of the Surrey Recruitment Registers, because he was a Sussex Reg't soldier, so in the end I turned to Forces War Records and entered 'William Jordan' (endless pages of these, because 'William Jordan' is a very common WW1 soldier name) but no luck, then I tried just 'W. Jordan' and was faced with over 90 pages of 15 lines each! When just about to not even bother to start, I went right to the end pages as a last look, because these had a 2nd initial after the 'W', and that's when the name "W.E.C. Jordan" suddenly appeared almost at the end of my last attempt (i.e. W.A. Jordan was last, but I was working backwards). By the way, I found his burial record on Ancestry under the name "Cyril William Eastham Jordan" for 16 June 1930, buried in Kensington & Chelsea Cemetery, London. There is a link to take you to Deceasedonline site, where more info can be found for a small fee, or go to that site directly. PS: October issue UK Family Tree magazine, out now, has me inside answering a "Your Questions Answered" letter from a reader about Boer War sweetheart brooches. There should be a small photo of me there. Cheers Lyndale Melbourne (ex Birmingham UK).




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Re: Regiment of William Eastham Cyril Jordan

Postby Gene-al » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:32 pm

Hi Lyndale

Thanks for explaining your search strategy. Logically he was in the Surrey Recruitment file because he enlisted in Croydon. Do I presume enlistees are sent to any regiment based on their fitness/abilities rather than localness? Otherwise why Bedfordshire?

His death with his Mother was well handed down by family, so a good place to start. Attached is press cutting of his accident, and have recently found the inquest reports. Note here the paper calls him Charles!

And now with this success, tempts me to look to post my 10 year brickwall for the origins for my maternal grandmother (another family) which given your Birmingham Ancestry and an army involvement of Manchester Regt might just tempt you back to your computer?

In a nutshell, we know nothing of Ellen Baker’s origins/birth (so no maiden name), either date/place (she claims Birmingham (1891) or Gibraltar (1901, 1911), or parents but in a local obituary of her son, she names four possible stepsons, presumably from a previous marriage, all who served with the Manchester Regt. Perhaps her husband and father also served that would explain her claim to be born in Gibraltar! In an obituary for her daughter, she claims two further step sons, as well! None found.

We cannot be sure any of it is fact and maybe the tick in the lunatic column was more than an enumerators tick!

By using the Regt Records (if available), I am hoping there are common enlistment details to nail this down. Otherwise we cannot be sure we have the right Family, there are lots of Bakers in Birmingham! But none found born in Gibraltar.

We first find her giving birth (not literally!) to an illegitimate son in 1885, then 1891 with Thomas, my grandfather who shared their lives together. All the action takes place in Guildford/Woking where they are buried in an unmarked grave.

There are many ambiguities in her story, not least her given name. She is mostly called Ellen but there are many variations - then we found her body and she was buried as Emma, born 1850! We would never have found her but she was interred with her husband so know we have the right one. Completely new name! No family remember seeing her or have a photo.

I will certainly look out for the magazine, Family Tree, one I have not taken for a few years.

Best regards
Alan

If would like to call dibs on this rather than me posting, just say. If so, Please supply email address so I can send various paper records, like obituaries. Mine is a.lonslow@ntlworld.com. If not, please just pass!Image


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