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Postby sdup26 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:23 pm

Mark Grant married Maria Wycherley in Liverpool in 1869, and died there in 1876. I haven't been able to find out anything about Mark pre-1869, although the 1871 L'Pool census says he was born 'London, Surrey' and his age on marriage suggests his birth year was 1845/6.

I've now found an entry in Liverpool Workhouse records, dated 1863: "Mark Grant, b 1845, Religion C, Settlement London." Was this just a statement of fact, or does it imply he'd be sent back to London? An idiot's guide to Settlement would be very welcome!
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby MoVidger » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:11 pm

Hi sdup26 - this FMP blog is very helpful for understanding Settlement laws:

https://www.findmypast.com/blog/family- ... rish-chest

Is this Mark in the 1861 census? His occupation is "errand boy". The family can also be found in the 1851 census in London.

Name: Mark A Grant
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: 1845
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry J Grant
Gender: Male
Where born: St Anns
Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 13
Folio: 107
Page Number: 4
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby ianbee » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:26 pm

sdup26 wrote:Mark Grant married Maria Wycherley in Liverpool in 1869, and died there in 1876.

Married at St. Mary's, Edge Hill, 1st March
Father Hugh Grant, Clothier
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=676553
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby sdup26 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:03 pm

Many thanks Mo; the blog is just what I wanted.
My Mark's father (shown on his marriage and death certs) was Hugh Grant, and I have chapter and verse on Hugh, my 2xgt.grandfather, whose wife and family lived in Cheshire.
But Mark is a mystery - no mention of him in any family record until 1869, when a Mark Grant suddenly appeared in Liverpool marrying Maria Wycherley, father named as Hugh Grant, clothier. I checked the couple for curiosity because my Hugh was a clothier, and found more 'clues.' Mark and Maria's daughter was named Sarah Ann Agnes, the names of Hugh's 3 daughters, and Hugh's eldest daughter, Agnes, was the godmother. Mark then died in 1876, and present at the death was 'Hugh Grant, father, a clothier.' It all seems fairly conclusive that Mark is 'mine' and probably from a previous marriage/relationship for Hugh, which I haven't found. The only 'clue' is the 1871 Liverpool census, showing Mark was born in 'Surrey, London' which seems to tie in with that settlement mention.
*just seen your post Ian, many thanks.
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby MoVidger » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:18 pm

So your Mark isn't the one I found in the 1851 and 1861 census? Have you found early census records for father Hugh Grant? Is he the one in Cheshire in 1861 and 1871?
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby sdup26 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:16 pm

No, the Mark A you found isn't mine. And yes, Hugh is the one in Altrincham, Cheshire in 1861/71. The earliest record I have for him is his Manchester marriage in 1856 to Sarah Dupree/Duprey/Dewbury, who was born in Waddesdon, Bucks c 1825.
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby MoVidger » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:54 pm

Could Hugh and Mark have been in Ireland prior to Hugh's 1856 marriage?
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby sdup26 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Many apologies; I told you my earliest record for Hugh is his Manchester marriage to Sarah; I haven't actually found a marriage for them. The first time they're 'together' on a document is on the 1856 birth cert of their daughter Agnes in Manchester.

I suppose Hugh and Mark could have been in Ireland pre-1856, although a M/C trade directory in 1851 lists a Hugh Grant as a tenant in Back Thomas Street; no details, just the name, and as you know, the 1851 Manchester census is badly water-damaged so no follow-up help there.

If the 1851 M/C Hugh Grant is mine, and Mark was born c1845 in Surrey/London, it seems to suggest Hugh was in the south of England in the 1840's then travelled north.
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby Templ4r » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:46 pm

the 1855 Slaters for Manchester gives Hugh Grant as a Hawker of 4 Royles court, Back Thomas street.

The 1851 Manchester has been rescanned so a lot are readable.

The Hugh Grant at Royles court is a Draper aged 55 from Ireland, his wife is Hannah 54 from Ireland. Daughter Bridget aged 30 from Ireland.
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Re: Settlement Orders

Postby sdup26 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:40 pm

Many thanks for that 1855 entry, and I'll have another go at the 1851 census too.
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