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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby Robbie J N » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:06 pm

The only problem is that on the 1939 Register it says the date of birth was 9 September 1862, and Mary was born, or at least registered, in Q4 1863, so it is off by a year.

I made a mistake, I should have said Mary’s sister Emma’s birth was registered in Cirencester.
Chedworth is where it says Mary was born on the 1871 census, also the 1881 census if that is correct. The 1871 census is definitely correct as she is with her parents and younger sister.
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby woodchal » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:21 pm

Date of birth can be a red herring as they can often be slipped by a year. Assume that later records like such as the 1939 register are incorrect memory (they probably hadn't any paper records)

Chedworth is about 2 miles from Fossebridge. Chedworth would be the larger village/town and they may even possiblly be in the same parish
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby Robbie J N » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:27 pm

Just to add more to the Freebery/Freebrey debate:
Alfred William Herbert Freebery - Q4 1894
Wilfred Harold Freebrey - Q2 1896

Even the birth records have different spellings for the 2 sons!
I tend to go with the spellings people actually use to write their own names, as on the 1911 census it was spelled ‘Freebrey’ but just to confuse things the transcriber on Ancestry put it as ‘Freebery’, even though when looking at the actual document it is ‘re’ not ‘er’.
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby woodchal » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:53 pm

Freebrey is almost certainly the correct spelling.

Can't trust transcriptions!
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby Robbie J N » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:12 pm

Thanks for all the info. I think that now accounts for William Crump and his 3 daughters' years of birth, marriage and death.
Quite a few Crumps ended up in the London/Middlesex area. William and 2 of his sisters died in Gloucestershire. One brother moved to Glamorgan. The other 2 sisters and 2 brothers went to London/Middlesex.
No way of knowing if Mary Elizabeth Freebrey kept in touch with any of her aunts, uncles or cousins.

I can now add a few more dates to my Crump family tree on Ancestry, plus also know I do not need to add an Ernest Crump, as he was actually a Cooper of Harding ancestry!

Thanks again everyone.
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Back again. (Sorry!)
I just realised that I have not found out what happened to William Crump's sister Sabina, born 1838. I had mistakenly got her death down as 1862, but that was actually her niece Sabina Hester Crump, aged 0, William's 1st daughter. (Northleach Q4 1862.)

Sabina Crump, born Q2 1838 Cirencester Union, baptism 27-5-1838, in North Cerney, Gloucestershire. Parents were Thomas Charles Crump, a blacksmith, and Elizabeth Byrch. (The GRO birth record simply gives first name as 'Female' or '-', and mother's maiden name as 'Byrch'.)
Probably named after her mother Elizabeth's mother Sabina Byrch/Birch, who died in January 1838, as Sabina Hatchet. Hence why 2 of her sisters have mother's maiden name incorrectly listed as Hatchett. (I am not sure if the correct spelling should be Hatchet or Hatchett.)

Living with parents and siblings on the 1841 and 1851 census.
In 1861 she was listed as a cook (servant) to Julia Maria Roberts of 4 York Terrace, Cheltenham.
After that, I can find no trace of her.

If anyone can find out what happened to her, whether she got married, died, or even left the country. I have been unable to find anything, even using various wild-card '?' and '*' in Ancestry searches.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby MoVidger » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:31 pm

Is this her? Occupation: Servant. Record and image on Ancestry.

New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Sabina Crump
Arrival Date: 7 Jun 1865
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Webster
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby MoVidger » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:49 pm

There are quite a few married Sabina's (birthplace England) living in the USA from 1870 onwards. I have an Ancestry Worldwide sub if you need further research on her. Best census records to check are the US 1900 reports, which indicate the person's immigration year (sometimes they are a few years off).
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:02 pm

Moving to America would explain her disappearance.
From previous US census records I have seen, they only give the country of origin, nothing more specific than that. (Plus the parents country of origin.)
If it was one of her siblings then it might be easier to work out. For instance, if they had a daughter called Sabina, like her brother William and her sister Hester both did, that might be a connection, as it is not a very common name. No more unusual names in her family, except maybe Hester, but that is often written as Esther.
I guess I will have to try and find out a bit more about any American connections.

Thanks again for the help.
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Re: Ernest Crump - 1876 Wiltshire

Postby MoVidger » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:07 pm

Do you know her exact date of birth?
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