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The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby windowframe » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:43 pm

Re: Virgina Sainsbury

Postby windowframe » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:53 pm
Further to researching on Virginia Sainsbury, as I was not able to find her on the 1841 census,
I have now found a V.S on the 1841 census age 15 born abt 1826, it comes under inmate at
The Magdalen Hospital, St George the Martyr, London Road, Southwark,Surrey, piece no.1086,
book 10, folio 18, page 2.
I checked out The Magdalen Hospital, and it seems it is for "Reception of Penitent Prostitutes",
my question is: can anyone tell me is there a way to find out who the name with the initals V.S
are, could it be my Virginia Sainsbury, and where would I find any records that could tell me,
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Virginia was bapt.28 Dec,1828 at St Clement Danes,Westminster.
Thanks to Ianbee in helping me earlier with my request, see my last postings.
Thanks again in advance. Moya

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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby junkers » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:41 pm

Unless you can find all of the people called V.S. in an admission register and eliminated them based on a date of birth it is going to be very difficult.
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby windowframe » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:58 pm

Thank you Junkers for the reply, it looks like I will have an uphill battle to find out,but
you never know, I will just keep searching. Thanks again.
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby ianbee » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:58 pm

junkers wrote:Unless you can find all of the people called V.S. in an admission register and eliminated them based on a date of birth it is going to be very difficult.

Unlikely to be very many. Not many females aged 15-19 had a name beginning with V back in 1841.
Looking at 1841 on findmypast -
9 in Surrey
Only about 30 in Middlesex
In the whole country less than 30 females in that age group whose initials would be V. S.

Victoria Sainsbury would surely be too young to be a penitent prostitute in 1841, aged about 12.
She might already have been in service, more likely she is just missing.
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby windowframe » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:12 pm

Hello Ianbee, Thank you for your reply, if born 1828 wouldn't Virginia be about 15, I read somwhere
that they took in as young as 13 to 30 years in the hospital which was not really a hospital. As
Virginia's maybe sisters were in the St Pancras workhouse, what's to say that Virginia was not
already in an instituation, as her maybe sisters were a lot younger. Thank you again for all your help
which I would not have been able to continue looking especially after all the hints that you gave me.
Especially grateful.
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby ksouthall » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:50 am

windowframe wrote:If born 1828 wouldn't Virginia be about 15.


Virginia's age in 1841 can be calculated as follows:-

1841 - 1828 = 13

This is based on the baptism in 1828, assuming she was an infant when she was baptised.

The record where V.S. is aged 15, could be as a result of her age being rounded:

In the 1841 census, the age of persons over 15 was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5. For example, a person aged 19 would be listed as 15, a person aged 22 would be listed as age 20, and a person age 59 would be listed as 55. In practice, many census officials either did not round down at all or only rounded down for higher ages, such as over 20, or (less frequently) rounded down ages below 15. In general, the age of a person under 15 is probably accurate to within a year or two. For persons over 15, any age that is not a multiple of 5 is likely also to be accurate – for example, if a person is listed as 27, he or she probably really is 27 or thereabouts, rather than 25. The area you have to be careful of is persons over age 15 whose age is a multiple of 5 – they may be up to 4 years older than their census listing shows – so if your ancestor is listed as 50, remember that he or she is likely actually between the ages of 50 and 54 inclusive. This, of course, does not even take into account the errors made by census officials and family members reporting the ages of others! Finally, if the age of a person was unknown, children were supposed to be recorded as “under 20” and adults as “over 20”.

Source: https://durhamrecordsonline.com/updates ... -rounding/
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby sdup26 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:52 am

If Virginia can't be found in 1841, what about her parents, William and Mary Ann?
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby ianbee » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:13 pm

Virginia's baptism was on 28 Dec 1828 in St Clement Danes. No date of birth given.

Virginia married George Davis 3 Dec 1848 in Chelsea.
Her age is given as 19 years and it says "With Parents consent"

The 1841 census was taken on 6 June.
So she was likely 12 years old then.

To be honest, I think "V S" at the Magdalen Hospital in 1841 is actually "A S" (sorry!)

And in that 1841 census we thought previously that Virginia's family were in Chelsea. Living in Queen Street.
piece 688 book 12 folio 13 page 21

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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby windowframe » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:27 am

Thank you to Ksouthall for that information about ages. Good to kn ow these things.
Much appreciated.
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Re: The Magdalen Hospital records

Postby windowframe » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:28 am

Thank you Sdup26, I Think that Ianbee has answered your question for me.
Much appreciated.
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