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Missing great grandfather

Postby Fishermen » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Fred Cook, born 1850 in Boston Lincolnshire. I have found him from birth (1850) to 1884 but cannot find any trace of him after 1884. I know that he was in court in 1884 for taking his son in a public space when he had scarlet fever and was given the option of a fine or prison but cannot find out the outcome. I don't know if he paid the fine or went to prison. I do know that his wife Mary Ann remarried in 1892 and he is named as deceased on his son's marriage certificate. Would really appreciate if anyone could give me ideas how to break this brick wall.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:34 pm

According to the Boston Guardian (09 February 1884), Fred did not appear in court and was fined 20/- and 13/6 costs, or 21 days' imprisonment with hard labour. He was a French Polisher, and in the newspaper articles his surname is spelled either Cooke or Cooks. In the 1891 census for Boston, wife Mary Ann is described as "married".

Side note: looks like Fred was previously married to an Elizabeth Rawson. They appear in the 1871 census with infant son John.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby Fishermen » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:06 pm

Thank you for your post. I can't find the 1891 census so will need to search again. I will also use alternative spellings too. Was Fred on this census? You are quite right he was married to Elizabeth Rawson, she died after John was born. I can't find any records to find out if he paid the fine or went to prison.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:15 pm

No, Fred is not with his family in the 1891 census.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby Fishermen » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:39 pm

Thank you again for your post. Do you know how I can find out if Fred went to prison or paid his fine?
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:47 pm

You could continue to check for newspaper mentions. Do you have a FMP or Ancestry subscription? They have a growing set of online criminal records. Also, you may have to visit an archive to obtain some records. Records will be held locally or nationally depending on which court your ancestor was tried in. If Fred decided to pay the fine, it probably wouldn't be mentioned in the newspapers.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby Fishermen » Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:55 pm

Thanks for your help, I will try that.
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby MoVidger » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:09 pm

Have you seen this 1884 record on Find My Past? The image indicates Percy (age 7) was admitted on 28 August 1884 and discharged on 9 Sept 1894. He was "fetched out by mother". Conduct: Very Fair.

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
First name(s) Percy
Last name Cook
Birth year -
Birth date -
Event year 1884
School name Boston Workhouse School
Town Boston
County Lincolnshire
Parent name(s) -
Book type Admissions
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby elsabels » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:02 pm

In 1891, census reference 13 2574 89 Mary A Cook still describes herself as Married

Have you acquired Fred Cook's birth certificate confirming his date of birth.
Some of the records could be searched using this as part of the query!

Could this be your man?

Name: Fred Cook alias [Ted Johnson]
Date of Trial: 2 Jul 1880
Trial Year: 1880
Location of Trial: Lincolnshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Police Gazette 25 March 1880 gives an alias as Harry SIDNEY and description of the person

Name: Fred Cook
[Harry Cook]
[Fred Sidney]
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1850
Event Type: Wanted
Event Date: 24 Mar 1880
Event Place: Lincolnshire
Publication Date: 2 Apr 1880
Role in Crime: Perpetrator
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Re: Missing great grandfather

Postby MoVidger » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:22 am

The Police Gazette, dated 22 April 1881, describes Fred Cook (with aliases) as a "tailor". So possibly not the Fred Cook from Boston, who was a French polisher.
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