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Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby phsvm » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:54 am

My great great grandparents were William Humphrey Smith and Adeline Garvey. He was the Governor of Oxford Gaol.

On various census returns she is listed as having been born in the USA, Canada and England.

Family history (and at one stage there was a letter from William to confirm this but my aunt lost it before a copy was made) states that he went to India and then onto America as a young man. Family history also says that Adeline was born in Philadelphia.

They were definitely in England by 1849 because their eldest daughter's birth is registered in Oxford in 1849.

I'm now trying to find a birth place for Adeline, a marriage for the couple and any thing else for either of them before 1849.
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby MayHam » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:06 pm

Not sure if it's the right family but I noticed Adeline said she was born in Kingston, Canada in the 1851 census.
https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?i ... 0000500517

I presume this is Kingston, Ontario which was the capital of the United Province of Canada from 1841-1844.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston,_Ontario

About an hour Northeast of Kingston is Augusta township, Grenville County where a William Garvey, a Merchant was living in the Village of Maitland in the 1842 census.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/184 ... 2garvey%22

I had some difficulty interpreting the information but I think it says the following:
12. Native of Ireland =1,
15. Canadian of British origin =8,
20. Males 0-5 =1,
21. Female 0-5 =1,
22. Male 5-13 =4,
23. Female 5-13 =1,
25. Single Male 14-17 =1,
30. Married Male 30-59 =1,
34. Married Female 45+=1,
46. Church of Rome=1,
50. Other Methodists=8

I also searched the Augusta Township censuses for 1796, 1806, 1813, 1823 and 1824 but didn't find any Garveys. I also couldn't find him in 1851 but there was a William Garvey living in East Norwegian, Schuylkill, Pennsylvania, USA in 1850 aged 67.
https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse. ... &h=5296766

In 1861 there was a widowed William Garvey aged 77 living in North Oxford, Oxford, Ontario.
https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?i ... 1/01141679

28 Jan 1870, a William Garvey aged 88 died in Ingersoll, Oxford, Ontario and was buried in the Sacred Heart Catholic cemetery.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=140868
and
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1927566
and
https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse. ... cessSource

Just to confuse matters, there was another William Garvey born about 1800 in Ireland who was also a Merchant in Augusta. He died in Maitland in 1863 and was married to Amelia Morey. Their son, William, married Adeline Eliza Pardee (1835-1884).
https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/per ... 5149/facts
and
History of Leeds and Grenville, Ontario, from 1749 to 1879
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/333 ... dit/record
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby MayHam » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:11 pm

Forgot to mention, this was the only Garvey Smith marriage I could find before 1849.

Marriages Dec 1845 
GARVEY Maria  Liverpool 20 305  
GRIFFITHS John  Liverpool 20 305  
Jones Edward  Liverpool 20 305  
LLOYD Eliza  Liverpool 20 305  
POWELL Benjamin  Liverpool 20 305  
PRICHARD Catherine  Liverpool 20 305  
Smith William  Liverpool 20 305  
WILLIAMS Charlotte  Liverpool 20 305  
https://www.freebmd.org.uk
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:27 pm

William is described as "army-pensioner" in his 1898 probate record. There are several William Smith's from Oxfordshire (b 1811-1820) listed in Ancestry's Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900. If you haven't located him in the UK 1841 census, he may have been serving in North America.
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby MoVidger » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:51 pm

This FMP record looks interesting. The image indicates he was a Printer -- wasn't that the same profession as his father? According to his service papers, he served in Canada for 7 years. He was discharged in Chatham in 1846. NOTE: Birth County on service papers is "Oxford". William attested in Birmingham.

Final description: 5-9", Hair: brown, Eyes: grey, Complexion: fresh, Trade: Printer.

First name(s) William
Last name Smith
Birth year 1813
Birth parish St Peters
Birth town Oxford
Birth county Warwickshire
Birth country England
Service number 879
Rank CORPORAL
Regiment 24th Regt Of Foot
Year 1831
Attestation date 15 Dec 1831
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 11
Discharge corps 24th Regt Of Foot
Discharge service number 879
Document type Discharge
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby avaline » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:38 am

Following on from MoVidgers post, William Smith, Service No. 879, 24th Foot is on the Worldwide Army Index for 1841 in Kingston, Canada
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby DianaCanada » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 am

Just judging by the distances, I would be inclined to look at the William near Kingston rather than the one buried at Ingersoll, which is even today, is at least a 3.5 hour drive apart on modern highways. Kingston was a military town, founded after the American Revolution to protect the British colonies and served as an area of settlement and land grants to Loyalists. Ingersoll is in southwestern Ontario and was a land grant to Thomas Ingersoll (canadian history trivia: father of Laura Secord).
If Adeline was RC and Wm Smith not, they may have gone over the border to somewhere like Ogdensburg NY, where they could have married in a civil ceremony. I may be wrong, but only church marriages would have been available in Canada West (now Ontario) at the time.
Just looked the latter up...civil marriages were not performed until 1869.
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby phsvm » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Thank you all so much for this. You are amazing.

Yes William Smith's father was a printer so that looks like a very positive lead. More investigtions needed but I think we're on the right track here.

As an aside but another piece of trivia. By coincidence my mother's first marriage was to a Canadian RCAF pilot in WW2 - a Tyrrell and descentant of Joseph Burr Tyrrell of the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Alberta - and her favourite chocolate was Laura Secord French and Frosted Mints! On every trip to Canada my husband and I would have to search high and low for them.
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby DianaCanada » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:57 pm

phsvm wrote:Thank you all so much for this. You are amazing.

Yes William Smith's father was a printer so that looks like a very positive lead. More investigtions needed but I think we're on the right track here.

As an aside but another piece of trivia. By coincidence my mother's first marriage was to a Canadian RCAF pilot in WW2 - a Tyrrell and descentant of Joseph Burr Tyrrell of the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Alberta - and her favourite chocolate was Laura Secord French and Frosted Mints! On every trip to Canada my husband and I would have to search high and low for them.


Yum! Love those chocolates.
For those who might not know, Laura Ingersoll Secord, an "ordinary" housewife who lived in the Niagara Falls area, fooled some American officers, whom, historians think, were billeted at her house during the War of 1812, into letting her go to visit her brother. She had overheard them talking about a planned attack and, setting out on foot with her cow, instead headed to where the British were stationed, and told them of the planned attack, thus possibly changing the course of Canadian history.
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Re: Birthplace of Adeline Garvey

Postby JaneyH » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:02 pm

What a wonderful story! I wish this forum had a “like” button!


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