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John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:43 am

Hello again.
I am a bit stuck trying to go backwards researching my ancestors John Nunn and Mary Humphreys.
They were married in 1811 in Bathwick, Somerset, with witnesses John Stowton and Ann Humphreys. (Note that Humphreys is spelled several different ways.)
They had 4 sons between 1812 and 1821, the eldest had a baptism in Bristol, and the other 3 in Walcot, Somerset.
John Peter Nunn 1812-1879.
Joshua Henry Nunn 1815-1892.
Goodman Humphreys Nunn 1817-1818.
Robert Reece Nunn 1821-1874. (Sometimes Rees Robert Nunn.)

John Nunn died in 1849 in Bath, Somerset, aged 74 according to his death cert. Informant was E Pearce.
Mary Nunn died in 1862 in St Pancras, Middlesex, aged 75 according to her death cert. Informant was Robert R Nunn (her son).

On the 1841 census they were both listed as not born in the county of Somerset.
That is all I have with regard to John, as he was dead before the 1851 census.
With Mary, the 1851 census, where she was staying with her son John Peter, says she was born in Ruthin, Denbighshire, I think. (The page is extremely faded and difficult to read, on both Ancestry and FMP.) On the 1861 census, it simply says she was born in Wales, assuming I have the correct woman, but her age and area she was living in matches with the area where she died a year later, Kentish Town.

For Mary Humphreys, there is a baptism record on FMP for 1786 in Llanfwrog, Denbighshire, with parents Peter and Eleanor (maybe spelled Elinor), plus another one in Ruabon, Denbighshire. The Peter and Eleanor one would make sense given her eldest child was called John Peter. A Peter Humphreys married an Eleanor Davies in Mold, Flintshire in 1786, which is only about 6 miles from Llanfwrog, very roughly.
The other children of Peter and Eleanor, from the baptism records on FMP, were called Esther (1789), Eleanor (1791), Sarah (1797) and Alice (1802).

An Esther Humphreys married a Thomas Pearce in 1821 in Walcot, Somerset. One of the witnesses was an Alice Humphreys.
So the ‘E Pearce’ who was the informant on John Nunn’s death record in 1849 could be his sister-in-law Esther. However, John died in December 1849 and I have found a death and burial record for an Esther Pearce in June 1849, aged 60. I have yet to find a record for a child born to Thomas and Esther with initial ‘E’, thereby being a niece or nephew to John and Mary.
Also a Thomas and Esther Pearce on the 1841 census, lists Esther as not born in the county of Somerset, so that matches with her being from Denbighshire.

If anyone can confirm that my Mary Humphreys, born about 1786, was the daughter of Peter and Eleanor and also the sister of Esther, who became Mrs Pearce, and that Esther had a child with initial ‘E’, that would help to solve a problem.
If anyone could figure out where John was born, about 1775, that would be amazing, as there are several possibilities, from places like Suffolk and Cambridgeshire, to name a couple.

I know this is a long post, but I wanted to lay out all the information I have so far found out.

Thanks for any help you can provide with this tricky problem.
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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:10 pm

Hello
There is a burial at Walcot for John Nunn 15 Dec 1849 age 75 of 12 Charles St
Esther Pearce of Green Park buildings Trinity Bath buried 26 June 1849 at St Peter and St Paul's age 60.
And Thomas and Esther are at Green Park so it looks like them
They do have a daughter Mary Elizabeth 2 May 1823 bapt 11 Seymour st basket maker at Walcot.
There's also Henry Corbett 19.4.1821 at Bath St Peter ans St Paul High St basket maker
Henrietta Anne 2.5.1823 11 Seymour St Walcot
Frances Anne 5.7.1826 11 Seymour St Walcot

But damn it Mary Elizabeth is buried 29 .7.1824 at Walcot.
ps also burial for Alice Humphries of the street 24.3.1803 at LLanfwrog

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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:25 pm

Thanks for that info.
Everything seemed to add up until I found the death of Esther 6 months before John.
The actual place John died is - 13 St James's Parade, Bath. He was a lodging house (inn)keeper, which I guess would be like a pub landlord or B&B owner in modern terms, whose address, as you correctly put, was 12 Charles St.

Also, does anyone know why a person's probate would be delayed for 23 years! John died on 10-12-1849 according to his death cert (or 11-12-1849 according to his probate record), but his probate was not granted until 2-11-1872. That is a very long time.
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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby ciderdrinker » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:45 pm

Hi
me again
A couple of more children for Peter and Eleanor ,now as Ellin.
Catherine 19 July 1795
Peter 15.4.1804 of street buried 20 Aug 1806
Elizabeth 24 Aug 1806
Peter 4.12.1808

Peter buried 12 Sep 1820 age 58 ?wrog St (Will leaves everything to Ellin).
Bapt 7.2.1762 s of John and Esther.
Ellin buried 22 Aug 1833 age 68 of the Duke of York -Street

For what it's worth there is a William Nunn buried at Walcot 11 Aug 1830 age 45 of 7 Moorfield place may be John's brother.
Strangely John and Mary did get married by licence but the Bond doesn't give any more info.

As for the Probate ,the only reason John the son would go to Court after all that time is if extra money turned up.Perhaps money had been left to John Nunn senior in a Will that had not been claimed and now wife Mary was dead must pass to their children.Or more likely some kind of debt owed to the Publican ,lodging house keeper.
It's interesting that potential mother in law was also in the same occupation.

ps there is also a newspaper article of John Nunn visiting the Hospital at Bath for his rheumatism 16 Mar 1843 described as much better.(Bath Chronicle).
Also 6 Oct 1842 an article on Joshua Nunn voting objection from the Liberals in the election when he may not have been eligiable. He didn't move in by the correct date July 1842 in S Chapel Row.He paid rent from July but actually moved in in August but as he paid rent his right to vote was upheld


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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby Robbie J N » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:55 am

Thanks again for all the info.
Does the Alice Humphreys who died in 1803 in Llanfwrog give an age or date of birth? Also, does it say who her parents were? I don't have a current subscription to FMP so can't look up new records, but entering in deaths with the surname Humphreys in 1806 give or take 20 years (1786-1826), there are quite a few Humphreys buried in Llanfwrog. They could be more distantly related to Peter and Eleanor and their children.
If that Alice cannot be confirmed as the daughter of Peter and Eleanor, and the sister of Esther, then the Alice, born in 1802, could still be the witness at the marriage in 1821. (If you follow my logic.)

Thanks again for all the help.
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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:26 am

Hi
Yes your right.
It says Alice Humphreys of the street Mar 19
Then below Goodman Humphreys of Ruthin Mar 24

I did wonder if the one below could have a connection .I tried to find a marriage or birth for him but nothing stood out.
The only thing there is a Goodman s of John and Catherine bapt 25 Aug 1776 at Clocaenog.
Not sure where that is.
John Humphreys married Catherine Goodman at LLanfwrog 23 May 1775.
He was of Llanfwrog and she was LLanrh?idd by banns bach and spinster.
wit Edward Davies and Edward Chubb.(Chubb was a regular witness).
They have a second son John at LLanfwrog 9 Aug 1778 of Ruthin

Catherine buried Llanfwrog Almshouse 15 Oct 1825 age 78 years or 31 Jan 1789 of Street

for John there are several
John cottage in Ruthin churchyard at LLanfwrog 14 April 1845 age 77years
John of Ruthin 22 Feb 1789
John 30 April 1794 of Street

John is son of J and Esther Humphreys bapt at LLanwrog 12 May 1754 .
So he would be Peter's brother and it would explain the Goodman Humphreys Nunn in Mary's children.

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Re: John Nunn & Mary Humphreys - Married 1811 Bathwick

Postby Robbie J N » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:34 am

Thanks for confirming that.
I too think that the Goodman Humphreys must be a relative. When I searched on Ancestry for Goodman Humphreys, most of the results were for people from around the Denbighshire area. So Mary must have named her son after a common family name.

There is someone on Ancestry who has a 'Bible Humphreys' family tree, with several of these names in it. However it is private and I have tried to contact them, at least twice, not to see the tree, but to ask if certain names were in it and if they were related to each other. Thus far, I have had no response, despite the fact that when you look at their profile page, they have logged in since the messages were sent and therefore they must have read them.

Thanks again for your help.
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