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Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby web182 » Wed May 08, 2019 11:17 am

Mary Walker (Webb) burial card.jpeg
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Hello -

I have a burial card for my great grandmother, Mary Webb (nee Walker) which I attach. The wording makes me think that perhaps she was a Catholic, rather than a non-conformist like the rest of the family. Can anyone advise? And despite the fact that the card says 'interment at Plaistow', she isn't, in fact, buried at Plaistow cemetery, and I can't find a record of where she actually was buried. Can anyone help?
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby Cachalot6972 » Wed May 08, 2019 3:47 pm

Have you tried all these..? A Google search brings up three cemeteries:

Plaistow, Burnt Ash Lane, Bromley, BR1 5AF. 01689 853617 Cemeteries.bromley@idverde.co.uk

West Ham Cemetery, Cemetery Road, Forest Gate, E7 9DG. 020 3373 1193  westhamcemetery@newham.gov.uk

EAST LONDON CREMATORIUM, Grange Road, Plaistow, London, E13 0HB.
Telephone: 02074 765109
“The East London Cemetery and Crematorium is situated in Plaistow and serves the London Borough of Newham and surrounding areas...”
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby Mick Loney » Wed May 08, 2019 4:11 pm

If Mary WAS a Roman Catholic, the chances are she was buried in St Patricks RC Cemetery, Langthorn Road, Leytonstone, E11 4HL.
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby sdup26 » Wed May 08, 2019 4:41 pm

The burial card does appear to be Catholic, but as Mary's background was non-conformist, maybe she became a 'high church' Anglican. Just one point - 'Ward of S. Monica' is puzzling; it doesn't appear to refer to a church of that name but looks more like the sort of address you'd see in the US or Canada.
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby jimbo50 » Wed May 08, 2019 5:50 pm

Wikipedia says;
In the 1860s Hoxton Square became home to the Augustinian Priory, church and school of St Monica the first Augustinian House in England since the Reformation era.
Elsewhere;
St Monica, the mother of St Augustine, is the patron saint of mothers (and also of wives, widows and abuse victims).
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby sdup26 » Wed May 08, 2019 6:01 pm

Hmm, but still think the card feels 'wrong' - why doesn't it say 'St Monica' or the full 'Saint Monica'?
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby jimbo50 » Wed May 08, 2019 6:24 pm

Is it possible that the term 'Ward' doesn't mean an Electoral area, rather 'in the protection of'
Also, the order was only decades back in England, maybe from the US, and the cards still bore the same message.
I couldn't find a Plaistow mentioned in Santa Monica, California.
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby MoVidger » Wed May 08, 2019 7:43 pm

There's a Plaistow in New Hampshire. Also, the date on the burial card is in the American date format (August 1st, 1932).
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Re: Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby JaneyH » Wed May 08, 2019 9:46 pm

My church-going knowledge leans towards this being a Catholic service, but high Anglican practice is pretty similar. Vespers (one of the canonical offices of each day, marked at sunset) on the evening before the funeral itself, means that the coffin would be laying in church overnight.

With reference to using the abbreviation “S.” rather than “St.” I can only observe that my local (very high Anglican) Church describes itself as “S. Barnabas”. Neither are conclusive, but I’d lean in the Catholic direction on this one. I can’t help on whether it’s UK or USA - my knowledge is only of UK tradition.


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Was my ancestor a Catholic and where was she buried?

Postby brunes08 » Wed May 08, 2019 9:49 pm

On freebmd there is a Mary Webb, aged 77, who died in the Sept 1/4 1932 so would fit the August death. The death is registered in West Ham. Would this be her? If it is, do you have a copy of the certificate that might provide other information that could help. Also, I mentioned this in another post recently that I have a gt grandfather buried in West London when he lived in the North East of London. There seemed to be no reason for this.


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