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Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby DianaCanada » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:45 pm

Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer:
m (1) Mercy Hill in Jun 1851 Q, Canterbury
(2) Mary Ann Lounce/Lownds Ford, widow (my ancestor) on 24 Dec 1861, Huddersfield, Yorks.
(3) Mary Haworth, 13 Apr 1863, Huddersfield.

Thomas was born ca 1821, E. Grinstead, Sussex, son of Louisa Spencer; I assume he was illegitimate.
I have his marriage certificate to Mary Ann (no father for Thomas), she died shortly after. The third marriage I found in FreeBMD and although I do not have the certificate, I did find a reference to the marriage in the local newspaper (British Newspaper Archive.com).

After this point Thomas disappears.
For what it is worth, my finding Mary Ann's death in 1862 was done by guesswork, as her death was registered as Mary Ann Somers, not Mary Ann Spencer.

If anyone can find anything further on Thomas after his marriage to Mary Haworth, that would be wonderful!
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:32 pm

DianaCanada wrote:For what it is worth, my finding Mary Ann's death in 1862 was done by guesswork, as her death was registered as Mary Ann Somers, not Mary Ann Spencer.

Mary Ann Spencer Summers
Buried at Huddersfield Cemetery, 13 March 1862
Wife of Thomas Summers Shoe Maker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=485337

Baptism of Thomas in East Grinstead, image of parish register
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... S-T7K?i=23
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:48 pm

DianaCanada wrote:m (1) Mercy Hill in Jun 1851 Q, Canterbury

So in 1851 he is the Thomas Spencer, 30, Boot Maker, born Sussex Hartfield, living in Kent. Mercy Hill and young Mary Hill are there.

Abode on the 1821 baptism of Thomas was Forest Row, somewhere between East Grinstead and Hartfield.
A Louisa Spencer pops up a few times circa 1814/15 re these places
Removal order of Louisa Spencer from East Grinstead to Hartfield, 26 Dec 1814
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=599178

On the next image!
Unable to travel due to sickness
Wholly recovered
13 March 1815, Hartfield to pay expenses

Looks like Louisa was pregnant!
Maintenance Order
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/ge ... 60_34_4_15

In 1820 the putative father was facing arrest for failing to abide by said order
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/ge ... 60_34_2_34

The boy must have been John, baptized 12 Feb 1815, East Grinstead. Mother Louisa Spencer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -H6V?i=516
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:27 pm

Burial of Mercy, 7 April 1861, Huddersfield Cemetery
Age 40. Abode Manchester St.
Wife of Thomas Spencer, Bootmaker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=485337

That burial was on the same day as the 1861 census was taken. So Thomas was widowed and living in Manchester Street. Lodging in fact. Age 39. Mary Hill was with him as she had been in 1851 along with Mercy.
Free index on FamilySearch letting me down, so will have to link to the free image. Thomas is given as born MIddlesex London.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=584116

DianaCanada wrote:If anyone can find anything further on Thomas after his marriage to Mary Haworth, that would be wonderful!

What happened to her?

EDIT
A sad end to the story of Louisa Spencer, it seems likely that she was the lady buried at East Grinstead, 28 May 1822, age 28. Abode Forest Row (then a hamlet of East Grinstead)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=149557
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:59 am

Birth
March 1865 Huddersfield 9a 340
Spencer, James
Mother's maiden surname Howarth

Death
Sep 1865 Huddersfield 9a 231
Spencer, James Howarth
age 0

Burial, Huddersfield Cemetery
24 Septr 1865
James Howarth Spencer
age 7 mos.
Son of Mary Somers Spencer, Washer Woman
Abode Manchr Street
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=485337
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:22 am

Some of the story of TSS and his wives has appeared in 2011 here, not the Sussex stuff and Huddersfield burials of course.
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threa ... rs-Spencer

A bit more background
topic17420.html

DianaCanada wrote:Thomas married again 13 Apr 1863, Mary Haworth. I am quite sure she is the Mary Spencer, nee Haworth, who married John Shaw in Lindley, Yorks. In 1867, listed as a widow.


Wife 2
Announcement, Huddersfield Chronicle, March 15, 1862
Deaths
On the 9th inst., aged 35, Mary Ann, wife of Mr. T. S. Spencer, bootmaker, Castlegate.
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:07 am

Huddersfield Chronicle, 11 July 1868
Lindley
A Woman Alleged to Have Two Husbands Alive.
The woman is Mary Shaw. Article attached.
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:55 am

DianaCanada wrote:Thomas Summers Spencer:
m (1) Mercy Hill in Jun 1851 Q, Canterbury

Full details
1st April 1851, St Mary Northgate, Canterbury
Thomas Spencer, Full (age), Bachelor, Boot Maker, father Thomas Spencer, Corn Dealer
+
Mercy Hill, Full, Spinster, father John Hill, Labourer
residence for both S. Gregory
by Banns
Both signed
Witnesses Joseph Jarrett, Margaret Jarrett(X)
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby DianaCanada » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:13 pm

Ianbee, thank you for all your hard work. Some of the information I already had (and yes, that was my thread from British Genealogy in 2011) but some I did not. The burial of my great-great-grandmother Mary Ann Lounce Ford Spencer is much appreciated, as well as the newspaper item concerning Mary Haworth Spencer Shaw. I tried to access the Huddersfield burials on FindMyPast to look for Mary Ann's parents and brother and one of her missing children but I was not successful (it was late last night and my brain had switched to "off") but will try again later.
I am actually descended from Mary Ann's first husband, Joseph Ford, who is said to have "gone to America" according to family lore via my father. Joseph and Mary Ann's daughter was still alive when he was young so that might be accurate. I have never been able to find out what happened to Joseph so it might be true (no trace of him in US records) - Mary Ann returned to Huddersfield when her youngest was very young and she remarried 7 years after the last sighting of Joseph.
This, I believe, is the marriage for Mary Haworth to John Shaw:
7 January 1867, Lindley, near Huddersfield, her father is given as George Howarth, she is a widow.
I did find a couple on the 1871 census that seems to be them.
I also tracked down the marriages of Mary Hill, daughter of Mercy Hill. She gave her father as John Hill (although I am skeptical, I think that was Mercy's father), so obviously Thomas was not her biological father.
My fear is that Thomas' death is registered as Thomas Spencer, or even Thomas Summers/Somers, and that he did not die in Huddersfield, making it difficult to identify him as the correct Thomas. If Mary was lying about his being dead, he could have died much later than the early 1860's.
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Re: Looking for Thomas Summers Spencer

Postby ianbee » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:33 pm

It was certainly a very curious exchange in court regarding Mary Shaw's other husband. It's interesting that she said his name was Thomas Summers (unless the reporter missed the Spencer name)

It looks as though Thomas wasn't around when young James was buried in 1865, as he was the son of Mary Somers Spencer in the burial register. Was Thomas even his father?

As to Mercy Hill, have you seen the Kent newspapers of 1850, from about July, regarding the horrible crime committed against her young daughter Mary in Canterbury? There is extensive coverage. It seems to later lead on to a perjury case and it all continues into 1851. Haven't had time to look at it all, and it may be rather heavy going.

The Huddersfield Cemetery registers may be of further help to you perhaps, and they can be browsed on FamilySearch via the camera icons
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library
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