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John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby DianaCanada » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:52 pm

Am trying to find John Newton and his wife Frances (Leyland) and their daughter Florrie.
John was b. ca 1871 in Burnley, Lancs., the son of George and Jane (Hibbert) Newton. He married Frances, dau. of Joseph and Margaret (Traverse) Leyland, she was b. in Rainford, Lancs. ca 1875.

I have been through the indexes and found only two children registered - Florrie b. Sep 1893, and Doris Louisa b. 1899, both Burnley.

I found the family on the 1901 in Burnley. In 1911 Florrie is with her aunt Louisa Newton Cooper in Burnley, described as niece. I cannot find the rest of the family in the 1911, and no good matches for deaths, nothing on the Lancashire Parish Clerks website. Florrie also disappears after 1911. No sign of any of them on the 1939.

I am quite sure I have found Doris Louisa, who m. Dec 1921 in Burnley, Thomas Latham. She dies in May 1991, Burnley. I found one possible child for them, Bertha, b. 1924. No further trace of Bertha unless she is the one married an Evans in Wales in 1946.

Have checked immigration on Ancestry, as John had at least two siblings who went to Australia. No luck there. Nothing on the later USA censuses either. Have checked Burnley newspapers on the British Archive site as well, no luck.

Any help finding John, Frances, and Florrie appreciated!
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:19 pm

This appears to be the family residing in Blackpool in 1911 (without Frances). Looks like John has remarried.

Name: John Newton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Bispham With Norbreck, Bispham Blackpool, Lancashire, England
County: Lancashire
Parish: Bispham With Norbreck
Sub-District: Blackpool
Sub-District Number: 3
District Number: 477
Enumeration District: 2
Registration District: Fylde
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Occupation: GROCER
Number in Family: 5
Birth Year (Estimated): 1871
Birthplace: Burnley, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: 119
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 239
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/25404/0239/1

John Newton Head Male 40 Burnley, Lancashire
Henrietta Newton Wife Female 46 Burnley, Lancashire
Doris Louisa Newton Daughter Female 13 Burnley, Lancashire
Mary Turner Stepdaughter Female 19 Burnley, Lancashire
Fred Turner Stepson Male 15 Belfast Ireland, County Antrim
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:25 pm

John did remarry in 1905:

Name: John Newton
Event Type: Marriage
Event Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Registration District: Burnley
County: Lancashire
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1905
Volume: 8E
Page: 613
Affiliate Line Number: 365
Possible Spouse: Hetty Turner
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby DianaCanada » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:11 pm

MoVidger, thanks so much for this. Kind of makes sense, as John's older brother ended up in Blackpool as well.
Still find no death for Frances (also under Francis) between 1899 and 1905, anywhere in England that fits for age. No Newtons died during those years in Burnley that remotely resemble the name Frances. Possibly she left John, took another partner and name. I think too, her death might not have been recorded in the national index. I think it would have been difficult for John to remarry in Burnley if everyone knew she was still alive.
Now will follow John's trail and see if I can find his death.
Still hoping Florrie turns up somewhere.
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:12 pm

Could this be Frances, also remarried, in 1911? There's a 1909 marriage record (Burnley) which also includes the name "Frances Leyland".

Name: Frances Robinson
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 41 Mosley St Burnley
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Weaver Cotton
Registration district: Burnley
Registration District Number: 472
Sub-registration district: East Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 24788

Edward Robinson 49
Frances Robinson 35
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby DianaCanada » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:32 pm

MoVidger wrote:Could this be Frances, also remarried, in 1911? There's a 1909 marriage record (Burnley) which also includes the name "Frances Leyland".

Name: Frances Robinson
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 41 Mosley St Burnley
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Weaver Cotton
Registration district: Burnley
Registration District Number: 472
Sub-registration district: East Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 24788

Edward Robinson 49
Frances Robinson 35


Thank you, Mo, will look into this. Certainly she is the right age.
I think I might have found John in Blackpool in 1939, with a 3rd wife! Marion...marriage found for 1933 in Fylde district which includes Blackpool to a Marion Snaderson (sic). Freebmd has this as Sanderson but no first name.
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:37 pm

Probably not Florrie, but this 1930 census record interests me. :D :D Indicates she's married, but no sign of a husband living with her. Occupation: apartment manager. No immigration records found for this woman yet.

Name: Florrie Newton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Los Angeles (Districts 0001-0250), Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1893
Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1911
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 21
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby DianaCanada » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:58 pm

MoVidger wrote:Probably not Florrie, but this 1930 census record interests me. :D :D Indicates she's married, but no sign of a husband living with her. Occupation: apartment manager. No immigration records found for this woman yet.

Name: Florrie Newton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Los Angeles (Districts 0001-0250), Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1893
Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1911
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 21



Thanks again, Mo! I have just had a root (so to speak) around on my brother's DNA Ancestry test and he has a connection there to our Hibbert line (mine is too remote to pop up) of a woman who seems to be a grand daughter of Florrie. Am going to check that out in more detail and see if I can match the dots!
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby MoVidger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:07 pm

I know this east Hollywood neighborhood very well, if you have any questions. :D After emigrating herself, my retired granny settled in an apartment just a stone's throw from Alexandria Street.
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Re: John and Frances (Leyland) Newton, dau. Florrie

Postby DianaCanada » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:41 pm

MoVidger wrote:I know this east Hollywood neighborhood very well, if you have any questions. :D After emigrating herself, my retired granny settled in an apartment just a stone's throw from Alexandria Street.


What a coincidence! I can't get over how many of them come up in genealogy.
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