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Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:39 pm

I have an address for my Great Grandmother in 1907 and she turns up on the 1911 census at a different address. Are there records anywhere that could tell me roughly when she left her 1907 address or am I asking for the impossible?

For context in 1907 she was employed as a mother's help/domestic servant in Surrey and in 1911 she was on the census at an address in London which I suspect was an unmarried mother's home. She gave birth to my grandmother days after the census was taken.

I've searched on Find my Past including newspapers. Any where else I could look for clues..?

Many thanks

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Names and addresses might help

Ethel Louisa Christine Horsham

at

Tintara, Heatherside Road, Ewell, Surrey in 1907

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby jimbo50 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:52 pm

Found this, re Isaac Mason I don't know if it's relevant from the following link
http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer ... amesM.html
It details all Isaac's family and living changes. It also mentions another 'Tintara' in Kingston.
I wonder if that is a charity/church home of some sort.
The 1911 census records Isaac as living at 'Tintara', Heatherside Road, West Ewell. Isaac's 57 year old father filled in the census form stating that he and his absent wife had been married for 20 years and that out of their 8 children, 3 had died. Living at home with their father was Beatrice Maude aged 16, Isaac Newton himself aged 12 and Gladys (Ethel) aged 10. His mother and 3 year old sister Hilda were boarding with the Scorey family at 3 Portman Road, Norbiton, Kingston-upon-Thames. She however, stated that she had been married for 19 years and that out of their 9 children, 3 had died.
Isaac left Ewell Boys School on 3 April 1912 and went on to study at Epsom County Council School.
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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:37 pm

Thank you Jimbo50. There is quite a lot in the newspapers from 1907, when Emily Mason was thrown out of her family home, which elaborates on the details here. It was alleged in court that Thomas Mason had fathered a child with Ethel Louisa Horsham (the maid) so I'm really trying to figure out when she (Ethel) left Tintara (the family home) and whether there's a possibility that he fathered the child born in 1911 All pure speculation but if there was a way to find out when she left it might suggest one way or the other...

(In the interests of full disclosure I should mention that the child born in 1911 was my grandmother therefore I'm trying to figure out if he could be my great grandfather )

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby jimbo50 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:07 pm

Have you looked to see if the service records hold any reference.
By the look of the info from epsomandewellhistoryexplorer, he joined the East Surreys at the same time as my Grandfather -who at the time lived about twenty houses away from where Emily Mason was lodging in 1911, Kingston.

Re Thomas Mason
Born: 1891 Addlestone
Married Winifred Westgate 22 March 1911 Lambeth. Enlisted 1915 into East Surrey Regiment; Service number 11573. Some military records record him as James Thomas Mason
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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:34 pm

This Thomas Mason is the son of the Thomas Mason I'm interested in - he was born 1854 and died in 1917. I don't expect the 'proof' I'm looking for actually exists but the reports in the local papers make for interesting reading and it looks like Thomas Snr and Ethel Horsham may have been having an affair in 1907. Just wondering if it continued to 1910...

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby jimbo50 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:39 pm

Sorry, I presumed it was the son, who was 20 in 1911. Out of interest, I hope you don't mind me asking, what newspapers refer to it ?
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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:48 am

No problem at all - I'm just grateful for any help! It's in some local papers and also some more salicious ones - I think The People have a headline The Master and the Maid. Tabloids, eh?

Are you on FMP? If you search the newspaper database between 1900 -1920 under the names Ethel Horsham, Thomas Mason, Emily Mason or just Mason it should all come up. Keywords Ewell, Epsom, Heatherside Road. Certainly makes for interesting reading - a bit like an episode of Eastenders!

It's an understandable mistake to think it's the son - Thomas Jnr was mid-fifties when this was going on and Ethel the Maid was early twenties at best. Obviously liked younger women as his wife was 20+ years younger too...

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby SarahDevs » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:14 am

*Thomas Snr was in his mid-50s not Thomas Jnr

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Re: Where was my great Grandmother between 1907 and 1911..?

Postby avaline » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:49 am

Have you seen the newspaper adverts in 1910 in which Mrs Bates of 80 Lorrimore St advertises for a child to 'bring up as own'?
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