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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby Robbie J N » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:49 pm

That James McDonald link would be quite useful.
Catherine McDonnell’s address is listed as New Bird Street on her marriage certificate.
John McDonnell was listed as one of the witnesses at her wedding and also one of the God-parents for one of her children, if that’s the same John.
Hopefully that seems right, thank you.

Quick addition:
Comparing GRO records with the 1851 and 1861 census for Bridget McDonald/McDonnell’s children in New Bird Street -
Mary Ann McDonnell - 1848 Q4, Thomas McDonnell - 1851 Q3, William McDonnell - 1855 Q3.
All have mother’s maiden name Donlan.
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:52 am

1841 New Bird Street, South Side, Liverpool, Lancashire, England: James McDonnell
https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?i ... 0011759547

1851 New Bird Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England: James McDonald
https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?i ... 0001290107

Not sure if this is the same man or not?
MCDONALD, JAMES     43  
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 54

Hope this helps.
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:41 am

Forgot the following...
John Mcdonnell was baptised 1834 in Limerick County, Ireland to James & Brgt (Donnellan).
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... ick&page=1

James Mcdonnell married Bridget Donnellan in 1832 in Limerick County.
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... ick&page=1

Only found one Bridget Donnellan in Limerick County. She was baptised in 1815 to John & Margaret (Scanlon).
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... ick&page=1

There are four James Mcdonnells in Limerick County including one baptised in 1810 to John & Catherine (Connell).
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail ... ick&page=3
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:02 am

1861 2 in 1 Court, New Bird Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Bridget McDonald, widow, age 46, born Limerick, Limerick, Ireland
John 26, Thomas 9, William 6
https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?i ... 0014183750

A Bridget McDonald died in Liverpool in September Quarter of 1867 age 53.
Volume 08B Page 107 according to the GRO.
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:10 am

The 16th August 1832 marriage seems quite likely, as on the 1861 census, it says Bridget was born in Limerick, Ireland. Also, she was listed as a widow, so James was dead by 1861, so that death record could match. Still can’t find the birth record for Catherine, nor her sister Margaret, but aged 3 in 1841 does not make it clear whether Margaret was born before or after 1st July 1837 when the records began. But, it hopefully confirms that Catherine was born in Liverpool, not Ireland, as her older sister was listed as born in Lancashire on the 1841 census, whereas brother John and her parents were born in Ireland, even though in the later census of 1851 and 1861 it says John was born in Liverpool. Plus, if they were living in Liverpool before Catherine was born, then that’s a good indicator that she was born there a year or so later.
There is a Liverpool Catholic Christening record for Thomas McDonnell in 1851, which gives his parents as James McDonnell and Bridget Donelan, a close spelling to both Donlan and Donnellan.

Thanks again for helping with this problem.

(Sorry - I was typing this message before I saw the previous one posted at 2:02am.)
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:49 am

It might be worth writing to the GRO for the birth record of the Catherine McDonnell born the June Quarter 1843 in Liverpool citing volume 20 page 359. They should have it even if she's not listed in the online index.

You have probably seen the following...
1844: Thomas McDonald son of James & Bridget (Donlon)'s baptism
https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse. ... &ml_rpos=1

1848: Maybury (Mary Ann) daughter of James & Bridget (Donton)'s baptism
https://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse. ... &ml_rpos=1
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby Robbie J N » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:21 pm

I previously put:
"Just to point out for anyone looking it up, the Catherine McDonnell born in Q2 1843 Liverpool is not the right one as it lists her mother as Rose McDonnell (spinster) and her father as George Clark. From her marriage record to M Milligan, the correct Catherine's father was named James McDonnell and was a porter."
I already ordered it and it was the wrong person. That Catherine was also known as Catherine Clark, and there is a Christening record for her, on Ancestry, with parents listed as Rose 'Mcsomething' and George Clark. You were quite right in that it was volume 20 page 359, as I wrote to the GRO twice asking them why it didn't appear on their site, yet was available on Ancestry and FreeBMD, and they said there was no problem with their listings, which is obviously not true. So I was quite annoyed and disappointed when I did order it, after messaging the GRO twice, and it was the wrong Catherine McDonnell!

I will check out the record for Mary Ann's Christening, as I looked for the 3 youngest children and all I could find was Thomas. Strangely, there are 2 different ones for Thomas, ones gives Bridget's surname as Donelan, the other as you put, was Donlon. Thanks again.
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:31 pm

Oops, apologies for the oversight and thank you for your thank you. Cheers.
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby Robbie J N » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:05 pm

Thanks to everyone who helped my newly discovered 3rd cousin 1x removed and me with this problem. On a similar note - Who exactly was Catherine McDonnell’s mother-in-law? Her name was Mary and she married Matthew Milligan at some point but no info on her maiden name. The census data shows Liverpool as her most likely place of birth, though Ireland is listed once. She was born in about 1808, as she died in January 1880, aged 71.

Her children (based on Christening records):
Catherine Mulligan - 1833,
Ann Malligan - 1835,
Mary Mulligan - 1837,
Michael Mullaghan - 1839,
Sarah Milligan - 1841,
Thomas Mullighan - 1844,
James Mulligan - 1846.
A lot of variations on the spelling of Milligan!

So this puts her marriage before her eldest daughter’s birth in 1833, presumably.

Any help with this would again be hugely appreciated.

(Again, well done for the help so far!)
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Re: Catherine McDonnell of Liverpool

Postby MayHam » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:02 am

Couldn't find a marriage between Matthew & Mary in Ireland (where he said he was born) or Liverpool. Did find an 1833 marriage in Liverpool between Richard Milligan & Mary Annett (sic).
This is the only Catholic marriage between a Milligan (various spellings) and a Mary in that time frame.
There is, also, a death record for a Matthew Milligan in Liverpool in 1860.
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