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Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby Jaymacgee » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:28 pm

Hi, this is my first post, please let me know if I need to provide different information to allow people to help.

My great grandfather had a brother and a sister. They had very hard early lives and all three were in and out of poor schools in the parish of St Olave in London in the 1890s. I can follow my great great aunt from there via being in service in the 1911 census to marrying in Glasgow. My grandfather leaves the poor school for the Houseboys Brigade and I find him later in Glasgow too where he eventually married and became a police Constable and had a large family. However I cannot find his brother. The last I see of him is that he is discharged from a poor school to a different branch of the Houseboys Brigade, and after that I cannot find him on a census in Scotland or England nor can I find a marriage or death certificate.

The info I have found is all sourced from either ancestry or scotlandspeople.

Should I post specific details of the brother here, or is the above enough to find some ideas of where to look next?

Thank you in advance for any help.
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby elsabels » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:39 pm

Hello & welcome

To enable us to help you we need names and year & place of birth
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby Jaymacgee » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:43 pm

Ah, having looked at other threads I see the more info the better! So:

George (F L ?) Paice

Born 1886 /87 in Bermondsey, London

Father Richard James Paice (a Carpenter)
Mother Sarah Anne (Annie) Paice ms Webb

Brother Thomas Paice (my great grandfather)
Sister Ada Annie Paice

George disappears after being discharged from a poor school in 1901 (I think, ancestry site has gone down (again) so can’t check) to the House Boys Brigade in Marylebone. My grandfather was discharged separately to another branch of the House Boys Brigade and after that I pick him up in Glasgow in 1914, but I can’t find George anywhere.

Anything you can suggest for finding out George’s fate would be welcome. Thanks.
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby elsabels » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:36 pm

Is this the correct George??
Name: George Frederick John Paice
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Sep 1886
Baptism Place: Rotherhithe Christ Church, Southwark, England
Father: James Paice of 46 Princes Road Bermondsey a Carpenter
Mother: Mary Ann Paice

Name: George Frederick J Paice
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Volume: 1d
Page: 2146

PAICE, GEORGE FREDERICK JOHN WEBB
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 246
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby elsabels » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:45 pm

1891
RG12; Piece: 379; Folio: 132; Page: 21
47 Ambrose Street
R J Paice 27 b Weymouth
Sarah A Paice 27 b Gloucester
Geo F L Paice 4
Ada A Paice 2
Thomas Paice One Month

Sarah A died 1898

Has George been entered twice in 1891
RG12; Piece: 375; Folio: 17; Page: 25
46 Princes Road
Thomas Paice 54 Glasgow Scotland
Sarah P Paice 47 Broadway Dorset
George Paice 4 grandson

Just cannot find him...maybe obtaining the birth certificate may help. You can then search the records with the birthdate as well
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby Jaymacgee » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:40 pm

Elsabel thank you so much for helping. Yes, that’s him. Didn’t know about his middle names and baptism date, so great to have that new info. Can you possibly advise how I can find out which religion he was baptised under (not sure that’s the phrase!) When my great grandfather and his sister appear in Glasgow they both marry people recently arrived from Ireland in a Catholic Church and various things suggest they were closely involved with the Church and I wonder whether the church may have somehow ‘taken them in’ when they arrived in Glasgow. I’d like to find out if there was some link between the church they were baptised in in London and St Mungo’s in Glasgow.
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby elsabels » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:22 pm

Name: Ada Annie Paice
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1888
Baptism Place: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene, Southwark, England
Father: Richard James Paice
Mother: Sarah Ann Paice

Cannot find Thomas!

These records are on ancestry England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917, your family most likely convert to the RC religion

You may find this site of interest //www.genuki.org.uk/
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby ianbee » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:05 pm

There is a newspaper story in the West London Observer, 19 August 1904 (also in the London Daily News, 15 Aug)
Concerns a young lad called George Paice, 16. Age would be one year out.
Says he had been in Portsmouth. There was a G Paice from Portsmouth, slightly older, possibly naughty on occasion, but this chap might be yours since he says he has no home and it is reported that he has spent time in the workhouse.
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby Jaymacgee » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:36 pm

Ianbee thank you! This would make sense, I agree. His grandfather, Thomas Paice was originally a mariner in the Royal Navy, so maybe that had something to do with why George may have ended up in Portsmouth, and George working in service tallies with him being in The Houseboys Brigade which prepared boys for employment in service.

Can you tell me how you search newspaper reports, please? I am new to all this!
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Re: Lost relative after joining Houseboys Brigade

Postby elsabels » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:40 pm

Great find

1901 census St Marylebone ( presume workhouse)
RG13 116 169 3
George PAICE 15 inmate b Bermondsey
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