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Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby HilarySteve59 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm

I am hoping someone can help me establish the parents of a Mary Barker, nee Hancock, who, according to the family bible, was born in Cutthorpe, Chesterfield on 14/2/1869 & died on 31/7/1916. She was married to Hadfield Barker on 15/4/1900 in Dronfield with father shown as George Hancock deceased, farm labourer.
Her birth does not appear to be registered, the birth of a Mary Hancock in Bakewell in 1869 being to a Joseph Hancock. Mary is on the 1901 (birthplace wrongly transcribed) and 1911 (shown as Mary Florence) census returns, and in 1891 appears to be in domestic service.
However I cannot establish her birth, baptism or entries on the 1871 & 1881 census returns. Can anyone help or is my next step the Cutthorpe parish records, if they are available?
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby MoVidger » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:28 pm

This probably won't be much help, but I've been searching the Old Brampton parish baptisms found in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916 record set on Ancestry.

Haven't located a Mary Hancock in the baptisms yet, circa 1867-71. However, I've found a Kate Hancock, baptised 29 November 1867 in Cutthorpe to George Hancock and wife Ann (nee Salt). George's occupation: Laborer. Could Kate be a relative of your Mary Florence Hancock?

Interestingly, Kate Hancock can be found residing with elder Hancock relatives in the 1871 ("daughter") and 1881 ("niece") census reports for Moor Hall, Barlow, Chesterfield. No sign of her parents George or Ann.
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby HilarySteve59 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:19 pm

Many thanks for taking the time to reply. It was great to look through the baptism records for the parish, but as you say no Mary born to a George Hancock.It's a mystery, but thank you for the lead, I'll keep checking!
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby elsabels » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:48 pm

Looking at the 1900 marriage certificate on line. A witness is Annie Hancock. Mary's sister?
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby avaline » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:28 pm

In 1881 there is a Hancock family in Unstone headed by George, a farm labourer. plus wife Jane

The daughter is transcribed as Marrie or Marric aged 11 & born Thorpe Hesley, Yorkshire. She also has a sister named Annie:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-9JSX
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby avaline » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:59 pm

If I have the right family then in 1871 they are in Sheffield using the surname BIRD

George Bird 38 b Chesterfield
Jane 24 b Eckington
Maria 8 b Eckington
Sarah 6 b Eckington
Jane 3 b Thorpe Hesley
Mary F 1 b Thorpe Hesley

ADDED - births, matching all of the Hancock children:
BIRDS, MARIA mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1863 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 523
BIRD, SARAH mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1865 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 577
BIRD, JANE mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1868 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 521
BIRD, MARY FLORENCE mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1870 M Quarter in WORTLEY Volume 09C Page 224
BIRD, ANN mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1872 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 490
BIRD, MARTHA ELIZA mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1876 M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 322
BIRD, FANNY mmn PENDLETON GRO Ref: 1879 M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 316

George BIRDS married Jane PENDLETON in Chesterfied RD in 1862
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby HilarySteve59 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:37 pm

Thank you so much, that's a great spot about the family being "Bird" in 1871, changing to "Hancock" in 1881! The parents ages do not increase by exactly 10 years but the children all stack up so certainly the same family. The Mary Florence Hancock I am looking for had an "Annie Hancock" witness to her marriage and Annie then had a Fanny Hancock to witness hers, all names in this family with ages about right. Also the fact that in 1871 she is "Mary Florence" is encouraging as I had the family on my radar in 1881 but the census has just ""Marrie"
I am thinking the best option would be to get the birth certificate of Mary Florence Bird to see if the d.o.b matches what I have for my Mary Florence Hancock.
For the name change, would it need to be registered back in 1870s?
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby avaline » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:46 pm

HilarySteve59 wrote:For the name change, would it need to be registered back in 1870s?


No, anyone could and still can change their name without any legal documentation so long as it is not for illegal purposes. I didn't try to find any explanation as to why it changed, but in the case of my own family it was illegitimacy - ie known by & married using step-father's surname but later reverted to birth surname.
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby elsabels » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:16 pm

George BIRDS married Jane PENDLETON in Chesterfied RD in 1862


See below
Name: John Birds
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1862
Marriage Place: Staveley, Derbyshire, England
Father: George Birds
Spouse: Jane Pendleton

Re visiting the 1891 census RG12; Piece: 2772; Folio: 176; Page: 20, the head of house hold Samuel Morton /Marton b 1855 was also b Eckington.....
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Re: Help in tracing a birth & on census returns

Postby HilarySteve59 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:17 pm

Thanks for the further details, yes Mary was in service in 1891. I have ordered her birth certificate, fingers crossed!!
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