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Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby avaline » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:45 am

woodchal wrote:In 1911 census she says there had been 14 children from marriage of which 7 have died. Here are 9 of them, all with mother’s maiden name ponting


I think the other 5 are these, from her first marriage:
HARDING, ROSE VEENIE PONTING GRO Ref: 1889 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Vol 01D Page 737
HARDING, WILLIAM HENRY PONTING GRO Ref: 1890 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Vol 01D Page 694
HARDING, FREDERICK EDWIN CORAL PONTING GRO Ref: 1893 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Vol 01D Page 754
HARDING, DOROTHY LOUISA KATE PONTING GRO Ref: 1895 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Vol 01D Page 739
HARDING, JESSIE AMELIA PONTING GRO Ref: 1897 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Vol 01D Page 728

Also if her last child was in 1910 then its unlikely that she was 28 in 1888, so the age at death is probably a better indicator of her true year of birth - c1868 - which fits nicely with the birth found by elsabels.

In 1881 she is in Lambeth
Mary Etheredge 69 b Aylesford, Kent
Maude Etheredge daur 24 born Peru
Rose Pouting [Ponting] servant 14 born Clapham
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby woodchal » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:19 am

I agree about birth date - perhaps she lied about age/father in the first marriage to cover up the fact that she was under 21.

However Pontypridd features quite a bit and is a fair way from Clapham. However I do think you might find that she is indeed the Clapham girl. The birth certificate would help - it would be worth getting I think!

Let us know how you get on.
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby SDV » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:46 pm

I am intrigued enough by the discovery of Rose Mary to send for the birth certificate. I will let you know what - if anything - it reveals.

Meanwhile, I wonder what happened to Mary Catherine? Where is she in 1871? I presume that the Nicholls are running a business looking after children for working mothers, given the presence of both Rose and Maurice.
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby avaline » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:43 pm

SDV wrote: I presume that the Nicholls are running a business looking after children for working mothers, given the presence of both Rose and Maurice.


I wondered if perhaps they were paid by a charity such as Barnardo's. Maurice was born as Maurice Edwin Mallett Plumridge (mmn Halfacre), but I don't see a marriage or any other children to this couple, nor can I find them on any census. It looks like Maurice is later known as Edwin and in 1881 is lodging with a different family but dies later the same year, aged 12.
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby SDV » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:21 pm

I have now received the birth certificate for Rose Mary PONTING. She was born at 9 North Street, Calapham on 19 Jan 1868. No father stated. Her mother is given as Mary Catherine PONTING of 9 North Street, Clapham.

None of the above is that helpful in determining whether or not this is the Rose Monenia PONTING that goes on to marry Herbert BELLENGER. It is worth pointing out that Rose was born at 9 North Street and that in the 1871 census she was a boarder at an address in North Street, which may or may not have been number 9.

We still have no idea where her mother was in 1871. Locating Mary Catherine in 1871 and subsequently might help.

Montague PONTING remains a mystery. Did he even exist? Or was he just a convenient invention?
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby elsabels » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:56 pm

1871
RG10 695 2
9 North Street
Elizabeth Burleton age 41 oil & colour dealer Lambeth
Walter Burleton son aged 13 ass't Wandsworth

Rose appears to be at 18 North Street
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby woodchal » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 pm

As Elsabels says Rose Ponting, aged 4, appears to be at 18 in a multi-tenanted house, as part of a household that consist of

Charles Nicholls 64 - Southampton
Charlotte Nicholls 55 - Chard Somerset
Frances Marie Greenfield 19 – Niece from Rotherfield Sussex
Rose Ponting 4 - Clapham
Maruice Plumridge 3 - Clapham
(Nb I could be easily persuaded that this is a badly written/transcribed Maurice Ponting)

Rose and Maurice are described as boarders and Charles is described as an Assistant to Invalid chair (repairer?)

If she is the same Rose born to Mary Catherine at 9 North Street then Mary Catherine is obviously off the scene on census day as Rose is a boarder (and Maurice) – and Mary Catherine may give the opportunity for further research – did she come from Pontypridd? was she away on a temporary basis? was she in prison? Also what about Charles Nicholls and Maurice – can anything to be found by chasing them up? The household seem to come from a wide range of places.

It’s worth noting that No 18 would have been nearly opposite to No 9.
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby elsabels » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:08 am

Is this the other child?

PLUMRIDGE, MAURICE EDWIN MALLETT HALFACRE Order
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 507

Baptised privately 15 Feb 1869 b 26 Jan 1869
Parents:
Father Jesse a servant
Mother Sarah
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby woodchal » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:13 am

There is a Maurice Ponting on Electoral register in Wandsworth 1909-1911.
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Re: Rose Monenia PONTING < 1888

Postby avaline » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:23 pm

My earlier post re Maurice:

avaline wrote:I wondered if perhaps they were paid by a charity such as Barnardo's. Maurice was born as Maurice Edwin Mallett Plumridge (mmn Halfacre), but I don't see a marriage or any other children to this couple, nor can I find them on any census. It looks like Maurice is later known as Edwin and in 1881 is lodging with a different family but dies later the same year, aged 12.


Can we rule this Edwin out as being Maurice?
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