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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby elsabels » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:50 pm

Thomas is born in Enfield son of Thomas and Sarah sibthorpe seems to be missing from the 1871 census after the death of his mother in 1870.


Thomas is on RG10 1343 39 13 aged 20 desc as Labourer h/hold David Jones b 1827

His father died 14 July 1877 in Enfield w/house, mother is recorded as 1870.
Their marriage was after Thomas H was born, 15 Feb 1858 Enfield

Random thought
I cannot find a birth entry under Sibthorpe for Thomas b 1850, is this his baptism? I am aware it states William and not Henry!!!!!

Name: Thomas William Livermore
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1850
Baptism Place: Enfield St Andrew, Enfield, England
Mother: Sarah Livermore
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby brendonavoo69 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:46 am

Hi
Thank you for the information.
Can i ask how you found the marriage? I'm still having trouble trying to find it.
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby woodchal » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:01 am

I found marriage of Sarah Livermore (transcribed on ancestry as Liverman) with Thomas Sibthorpe on ancestry - initially via the tree I mentioned

Name: Thomas Sibthorpe
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1831
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1858
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Enfield, England
Father: James Sibthorpe
Spouse: Sarah Liverman
Register Type: Parish Register
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby woodchal » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:09 am

Thomas William's birth was registered as

LIVERMORE, THOMAS WILLIAM GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 155.

There is no Mothers Maiden Name listed which would suggest that this Thomas was illegitimate, which would tie in with 1858 marriage and raise the possibility that if this is the your Thomas he was not a Sipthorpe by birth, but by adoption (probably informal)
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby brendonavoo69 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:14 pm

Fantastic! Many thanks for your help.

I also have another issue if you are interested :D

So Thomas William Livermore 1850 (Sipthorpe) married a Sarah Amelia Fox who was born in 1847 Bethel Green. Its their marriage details i can not find. Maybe a similar issue to the previous one.

I know that on the 1939 census it mentions that she had 20 children, 17 of those had died and more than 3 were called Thomas. One of those Thomas's born about 1888 in Stepney was my great father and his birth evades me as well.

I love looking into my family roots but when i hit a brick wall its the experts on this website who are a great help.
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby elsabels » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:50 pm

I know that on the 1939 census it mentions that she had 20 children, 17 of those had died and more than 3 were called Thomas. One of those Thomas's born about 1888 in Stepney was my great father and his birth evades me as well.


I think you intended to put 1911 census where Sarah indicates she had 20 births over the years with 4 living

Here are some of the births, you can check freebmd,org for the deaths:

SIPTHORPE, THOMAS HENRY FOX
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 473

SIPTHORPE, ELIZABETH SARAH FOX
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 474

SIPTHORPE, RICHARD HENRY FOX
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 447

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SIPTHORPE, GEORGE EDWARD FOX
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 454

SIPTHORPE, MARY ANN FOX
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 453


SIPTHORPE, ROSE HETTY FOX
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 412


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SIPTHORPE, GEORGE EDWARD FOX
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 431

Potential for your gt grandparent

FOX, THOMAS JAMES SEYLER
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 416
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Re: Sarah Amelia Fox

Postby brendonavoo69 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:03 pm

Thank you everyone. You have been a fantastic help. All the best.
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