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Family lost in 1939

Postby bernardhowell » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:23 pm

In trying to complete a full set of records I am failing to find the following family group, they were all born in Cardiff, S Wales and I know they were there in 1942 from family photos but where in 1939:-
Edna Mary Belcher nee Howell born 1902
William E Belcher born 1923
Francis H Belcher born 1927
I have tried to check using alternative/phonetic spellings but to no avail.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby trace » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:07 pm

Stoke Newington Met B AWAJ
49 Adolphus Rd N4
Edna M Belcher 28 Apr 1902 Married Secretary & Typist
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby trace » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:23 pm

Jack Belcher 5 May 1901 Married Salesman - Drapery & Gent......
12 Mitford Rd Islington ALDQ
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby elsabels » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:19 am

This could be the answer to the non appearance of some of your family in the 1939 Register

Why are some records in the 1939 Register officially closed?
Answer:
Individuals’ records remain closed for 100 years from their date of birth (100 year rule). Records remain closed for people born less than 100 years ago until proof of death is verified. As more records become open as a result of the 100 year rule, more records will become available to search and view online at Findmypast. Of the 41 million records, approximately 13 million (around 32%) will be closed at publication. The 1939 Register will be updated regularly.

If you notice an officially closed record in the 1939 Register that you believe should be open, you may be able to request it be opened. Click here for more information.

In the instance of William E Belcher b 1923 Cardiff his death is recorded overseas:
Name
William E. Belcher
Birth
07/10/1923
Death
28/12/2000 Stoughton Norfolk Massachusetts USA
Civil
Massachusetts

If I have the correct Francis , the same will apply:
Name
Francis Belcher
Birth
13/07/1926
Death
01/1985 Pittsfield Berkshire Massachusetts USA
Civil
Massachusetts
Other
Pittsfield Berkshire Massachusetts United States of America

It appears the parents Jack & Edna M are both listed seperately on the 1939 Register in London, so who was caring for the sons?
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby meekhcs » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:45 am

Elsabels that is interesting and could well be the answer. However, my aunt was born in the Uk in 1928, emigrated to the USA after the war, is still very much alive, BUT, she appears on the 1939 register. I don’t think there is a definitive answer.
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby meekhcs » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:47 am

It may well be a case of checking all known siblings or even parents of the parents, who feature on the register to see if there are any redacted entries that could be the sons.
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby JaneyH » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:09 pm

Another thing to be aware of with the 1939 Register is that evacuation of children from large cities was already underway by the time it was taken. Just last night I was looking at the record for an ancestor and his wife who had two children with them, but with a different surname. After checking to see if either adult had been married previously (no) I looked up the birth records of the two girls. Both had the same MMN and both were born in St. Olave, Bermondsey - the heart of London’s docks back then. I’ve concluded these were most likely evacuees.
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby Mick Loney » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:59 pm

Don’t want to pour cold water on anything, but where they were in 1942 may have no bearing on where they were in 1939! Not everyone stayed put for 3 months, let alone 3 years. As JaneyH says, people were evacuated during this period and will not necessarily be where you would normally expect them. My parents come from the East End of London, but were living in Wiltshire in 1939, and still there when I was born.
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby elsabels » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:22 pm

In response, question and answer were taken from the 1939 Register as supplied by FMP and is their explanation as to one reason why persons are displayed on the register
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Re: Family lost in 1939

Postby ianbee » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:32 pm

elsabels wrote:If I have the correct Francis , the same will apply:
Name
Francis Belcher
Birth
13/07/1926
Death
01/1985 Pittsfield Berkshire Massachusetts USA
Civil
Massachusetts
Other

It might not be the correct Francis. Francis H was registered in the Dec qtr, and there is a Francis Belcher of that age in Pittsfield, Berkshire, Mass on the 1940 US census. Aged 13 on 5 April 1940.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K461-TNN

Not sure about William E either
elsabels wrote:In the instance of William E Belcher b 1923 Cardiff his death is recorded overseas:
Name
William E. Belcher
Birth
07/10/1923
Death
28/12/2000 Stoughton Norfolk Massachusetts USA
Civil
Massachusetts

Right by Stoughton is Foxborough and there is a 16 year old William E Belcher there in 1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4NH-V9D

Edna and the boys seem to be in Hendon just after the war, according to electoral registers. At 35 Mount Road.
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