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John/Phillis Harris in the 1841 Census

Postby PaulH01 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:57 pm

The above are ancestors of mine - John was born 1802 in Luton, Phillis (Bigg) was born 1806/7 in Luton. They married 1822 in Luton and were in the hat industry.

I have no problem finding them in Luton in the 1851 and 1861 Census records (Lea St and Albert Rd respectively) and even in 1871 when John was in East Barnet and Phillis was mistakenly recorded as Ward in Albert Rd. Also I have found Phillis in Albert Rd in 1881 after John's death.

BUT I can't find them anywhere in the 1841 Census! I'd assume they were still in Luton, they also have a son John b 1833 Luton (other siblings are either married or deceased by 1841).

Can anyone please help? Thanks.
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Re: John/Phillis Harris in the 1841 Census

Postby ksouthall » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:01 pm

The Luton 1841 Census records are very faint.

I have found a Phillis Harris in Luton in 1841, as follows:

On Ancestry, indexed as Phillis Sanes, born 1821.
On FindMyPast, indexed as Phillis Harris, born 1821.

This is the same record, just indexed differently due to the poor quality of the census and use of optical readers to transcribe the records. This Phillis is working in the hat trade. However, she is described as born out of county. There doesn't seem to be any sign of John or any children.

It may or may not be your ancestor.
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Re: John/Phillis Harris in the 1841 Census

Postby PaulH01 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:16 am

Thanks for checking, but I don't think the Phillis you have found is the one I'm looking for.

John Harris jr was definitely born in Luton in 1833 to John and Phillis, so a birth date for Phillis of around 1820 would be unlikely. Also John sr and Phillis were married in 1822.

Not much info about this Phillis Harris - born 1820 in Bicester to James/Mary might be a slight possibility; father James just might be the one born 1803 in Luton (John sr's brother) but I'm not sure why they would be in Bicester.

Not sure I'm going to find them in the 1841 Census.
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Re: John/Phillis Harris in the 1841 Census

Postby sdup26 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:59 pm

As ksouthall says, some parts of the 1841 census are very faint and hard to read, and unfortunately, some aren't there at all, as it's not comprehensive. Very frustrating.
Is there any chance John and Phillis had children after John born 1833 - preferably after the start of birth registration? Just as an example, a Maria Harris was born 1839 in Luton, and died there in 1840. So Maria isn't on the 1841 census, but there could be useful details, including a home address, on her birth/burial records.
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Re: John/Phillis Harris in the 1841 Census

Postby PaulH01 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:53 pm

Thanks.

True - I only recently noticed the second Maria (first one 1829-1832), it must be worth a look. GRO says the mother's maiden name is Biggs, which is about right. As you say, Maria died the next year, recorded as Phillis Maria, which is interesting.

Agree parts of the 1841 Census there are hard to read, and some seem to be missing.
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