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Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby SarahU » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:25 am

Alfie Newman was killed (appr.1947) on the way to marry his pregnant girl-friend, Elizabeth Halford (dec’d age 40) who gave birth to a baby girl, now over 70. She is searching for info on Alfie and ancestors. Where to start?
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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby ksouthall » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:17 am

Hello Sarah,

I tried searching for a death reference for Alfie and Alfred Newman around 1947 in Newport but nothing came up.

Does your friend have any more information about him? e.g. roughly how old he was when he died, where he died or where he originally came from?

Nothing came up in the newspaper articles on FindMyPast, either.

If you are able to provide more information, that would be really helpful.

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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby AntonyM » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:52 am

Start with gathering together all the facts you have - key is his death certificate. Where/when did he die ? ... that will give you an age and occupation. None of the Alf* Newman's who died in 1947 (in E&W) are under 54 so it may be a different year.

If he was killed whilst his girlfriend was pregnant, then that should narrow the timeframe down to a just period of a few months - but these type of stories can get confused or altered over time. Have you checked he isn't named on the birth certificate (if he actually died after the birth for example ) ?

It sounds like there will have been an inquest, so once you know the correct date/place you can look for records (probably newspaper) of that and that may give more information about him.

Most newspapers for that period are still not on-line so it may mean checking them manually - but once you have the date of death/inquest it shouldn't be very difficult.

***There is death reported in July 1947 of an Albert Newman, aged 36 from Ross on Wye, which isn't far from Newport, in an crane accident - might that be him ? If so his father (and address) is named in the newspaper (Gloucester Journal 5th July 1947 - which is online) so should be quite easy to research.
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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:25 am

Good Morning
There is only one Alfred/Aflie Newman on the 1939 index in Newport.
He is Alfred B Newman , single ,a school teacher born 18th July 1899.
It also says he was in the ARP.
He is at 55 Bryngwyn Road with what looks like his parents William P Newman born 3.4.1867 a retired Linotype operator and Ada born 5 Jan 1867.
Like ksouthall I can't see a death in 1947.
Could he be your man?

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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby ksouthall » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:33 am

ciderdrinker wrote:Good Morning
There is only one Alfred/Alfie Newman on the 1939 index in Newport.
He is Alfred B Newman, single, a school teacher born 18th July 1899.
It also says he was in the ARP.
He is at 55 Bryngwyn Road with what looks like his parents William P Newman born 3.4.1867 a retired Linotype operator and Ada born 5 Jan 1867.
Like ksouthall I can't see a death in 1947.
Could he be your man?

Ciderdrinker


There are two possible marriages for Alfred B Newman in Newport: the first to Eva L Miles in 1942 and the second to Ann E O'Sullivan in 1956. I suspect he was married twice.

There is a possible death reference for Alfred B Newman in 1964 in Newport.
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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby ksouthall » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:38 am

ksouthall wrote:There are two possible marriages for Alfred B Newman in Newport to Eva L Miles in 1942 and the other to Ann E O'Sullivan in 1956.

There is a possible death reference for Alfred B Newman in 1964 in Newport.


This is likely to be Alfred Bertram Newman who died on 25th April 1964. He doesn't appear to have left a will as administration was granted to his widow, Ann Elizabeth Newman.

This could be your man. However, if so, he didn't die in an accident as it's likely he was still married to someone else so was not free to marry.

Alternatively, this may not be the person you are looking for.

Has your friend considered taking a DNA test to try and find possible matches?
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Re: Newman-Halford Newport Wales

Postby SarahU » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:00 pm

Thank you all for your input. An early aunt (mid-90’s?) has now told my friend that her mother had many casual ‘friends’ during the war, anyone of whom could have been her father - regardless of the one named on the birth certificate. She was registered with her grandparents last name and they raised her. I have poured over the 1939 register, newspapers on FMP and the Commonwealth War dead records with not much luck, name is quite common in Wales like Smith. Is the next step DNA but would this find the male line? As far as she knows, her mother did not have any other children.
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