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John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby coasterman21 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:13 pm

I am seeking the birth of my 4x Great Grandfather, name unknown. My 3x Great Grandfather, John Clowdesley, was born about 1752/53, died in 1825 and was buried in Tilehurst, near Reading. John spent all his working life with the Office of Ordnance. His first appointment was as a clerk in Portsmouth Dockyard in 1772 and in 1778 was transferred to Woolwich. Promotion followed and in 1778 he was appointed as Clerk of the Cheque in Purfleet and then transferred to The Royal Gunpowder Factory in Waltham Abbey in 1788 when it opened. He subsequently became Clerk of the Cheque at the Faversham Gunpowder Factory in 1793. In 1816 he was appointed Storekeeper at Picket Field Ordnance Depot near Hungerford. He retired to Berkshire in 1820. Although I have been able to discover a certain amount of information about his working life - many thanks to the Fleur Museum in Faversham - both his date of birth and the name of his father remain a mystery.

Intriguingly I came across a reference to his father amongst the Cornwallis Correspondence (Lord Cornwallis was Master General of the Ordnance 1794-98). " A Mr (John) Clowdesley applied for advancement in the Ordnance Office and the Master General describes him as the son of the man who verily believed that the French troopers had a design against his life when they gave him 14 cuts on the skull." Any suggestions as to how I could follow up the above quotation would be much appreciated.
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Good Afternoon and Welcome to the forum.
The closest in date is this chap.
John Cloudesley s of Samuel and Eleanor at St James Westminster born 23.4.1755 bapt 4th May .
His brother also John was born 10.6.1752 bapt 13th.

The only other candidate is John s of John and Isabella Cloadsley at Shoreditch 9.2.1748 of Agnes le clear.There is a burial at Bromley in 14.11. 1792.
If it was the father John then there is a John Cloudesley Greenwich pensioner 1784-1792
Other children Isabella Elizabeth 25.1.1756 and Edward 5.10.1761
In 1751 he is on the National archives in a dispute with Wyrrill and he is described as a mariner.

Samuel was bapt St James Piccadilly 17 Sep 1717 son of John and Mary
He married Eleanor Bryan 1751 St Georges chapel Albermarle st 15.9.1751 of St James Westminster
In 1749 he was a tailor in Duke st and voted for Trentham.
Children
Elizabeth 13/14 Oct 1753 ,Mary 13/28 Mar 1757 ,Ann 22/25 Feb 1759,Sarah 13 Nov/21 Dec 1760

Sorry that doesn't fit with the French troopers does it?Unless the father is John Greenwich pensioner.

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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby coasterman21 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:51 pm

Good evening and thanks for your reply.
I had looked into Samuel and Eleanor but the John born in 1752 appears to have died when only 3 weeks old and the other John born in 1755 died in 1757.

John and Isabella are a possibility but up to now I have been unable to find a link and so they remain on the back burner for now.

The National Archives hold a fairly comprehensive set of records for the Ordnance Office and I have written to them to see what sort of personnel records they have. A day in Kew may be beckoning.

There is a connection to the Peckhams of Chichester as John is mentioned in the will of a Sarah Farhill nee Peckham but it is unclear whether or not this is a family connection as he is described as Storekeeper at Picket Field rather than as a relation.

Thanks once again.


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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:50 pm

There was a Clowdesley-Peckham marriage
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Clowdesley
Spouse's Name: Jane Peckham
Event Date: 17 Jun 1736
Event Place: East Lavant, Sussex
Image here, need to be logged in
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... &cat=46005

Marriage was by licence, the bond is here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=604176

Manor of Aldingbourne
22 Nov. 1736
Admission of Elizabeth Barnes of Chichester, spinster, upon the surrender (made 19 Oct. 1736) of Henry Peckham, gent., and William Clowdesly and w. Jane (late called Jane Peckham)
To hold for the lives of Henry Peckham, Jane Clowdesly and Henry Norton, s. of Robert Norton of Chichester, mercer, and that of the longest liver
http://www.westsussexpast.org.uk/Search ... 2414&pos=2
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:54 pm

coasterman21 wrote:My 3x Great Grandfather, John Clowdesley, was born about 1752/53, died in 1825 and was buried in Tilehurst, near Reading.

Marriage? Names of children?
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:53 pm

Sussex Archaeological Collections
General Index to Volumes 1-25
Clowdsley, capt, of Chichester, wounded at Minden, 10, 42.
https://archive.org/stream/sussexarchae ... 0/mode/2up

And, finding volume 10, on page 42
"Poor Captain Clowdsley, of Chichester, is most terribly cut in many places,
by the cavalry that got through"
https://archive.org/stream/sussexarchae ... 4/mode/2up

This is in 1759?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Minden
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:37 pm

Mention in a will written by John Hardham in 1772 of a Capt. William Clowdesly "at East Moulsy, Surrey".
But is it the same captain?
Also, Peckham Williams, Esq., of Chichester. Was that the chap baptized there in 1712? Possibly the son of John Williams and Frances Peckham (married 1696)
Other friends mentioned include David Garrick, "the famous Actor"!
https://archive.org/stream/sussexarchae ... /mode/2up/
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:52 pm

It is the same guy!
Little Minden
And "Thereby hangs a tale"
The house was for many years the residence of Captain William Clowdesly, a gentleman who had the honor to bear his Majesty's commission in the 6th regiment of infantry, under the command of General Waldegrave, at the battle of Minden, in 1759.....

.....Having pitched his tent at Moulsey, named that pretty white house, on the river Mole, " Little Minden"

The steam-boat companion, from Queenhithe to Richmond, and on to Hampton Court and Windsor
pages 102, 103, 104
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=08I ... &q&f=false
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:47 am

Looking for the burial of William, came across this, so I'll just throw it in (no idea if there will be a connection, it's not Chichester!)
Baptism at Fulham, 1 Sept 1751
John S: William + Mary Cloudesly

Mind you, it's transcribed Clouderly on ancestry. Which is it?
Another John baptised there to a John + Mary Cloudesly on the 22nd Sep!
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Re: John Clowdesley, Clerk of the Cheque, Office of Ordnance

Postby ianbee » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:03 pm

ianbee wrote:Manor of Aldingbourne
22 Nov. 1736
Admission of Elizabeth Barnes of Chichester, spinster, upon the surrender (made 19 Oct. 1736) of Henry Peckham, gent., and William Clowdesly and w. Jane (late called Jane Peckham)
To hold for the lives of Henry Peckham, Jane Clowdesly and Henry Norton, s. of Robert Norton of Chichester, mercer, and that of the longest liver
http://www.westsussexpast.org.uk/Search ... 2414&pos=2

Back to that, relevant or not, if it is of interest to anybody it can be seen on FamilySearch, it seems to get going here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1199377

Manorial and court records for Aldingbourne Manor, 1648-1851
That one is digitized microfilm 2299504, Court rolls, 1670-1701; Court books, Apr. 1670-Apr. 1780
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