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Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby phsvm » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:44 pm

I'm trying to trace a marriage for Edward Roberts (no documents I have give a middle name and I'm fairly certain he didn't have one). His birth is registered as Edward Roberts Bray in Wantage in 1886.

In 1920 he is living with his family in Chilton, Berkshire and by 1930 he's living with an Alice Roberts in Letcombe Regis. From his dob on the 1939 Register I'm happy that the latter is the correct Edward Roberts.

A press report of his mother's funeral in 1939 lists the mourners who include Mr and Mrs Edward Roberts so there was certainly a woman 'known as' his wife.

I've found evidence from 1911 that he claimed to be married but wasn't so I'm not 100% sure that he and Alice did marry.

I'm also unable to trace death records for either of them although there's a possible death registration for him in 1965 in Wallingford.
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Re: Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby sdup26 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:57 pm

You may have Edward's baptism entry, but in case not: Chilton All Saints: "Edward Roberts Bray, baptised 20/6/1886, mother, Louisa Bray, a single woman." Presumably his father was the William Roberts who married Louisa in 1887, and in 1891 was listed as William Bray's 'son-in-law'?

You say that Edward didn't have a middle name, but his birth was registered as Edward Roberts Bray (as per his baptism). He may not have used Bray as a surname to your knowledge, but when searching, including for a marriage to an Alice, have you also checked under Bray?
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Re: Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby phsvm » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:32 pm

Yes I have his baptism. I have a huge amount of information on him. He did not use the Bray name at any time after his parent's marriage.

I have searched for a marriage under the name Bray and not found anything.
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Re: Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby elsabels » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:23 pm

Is this your man? Could this be why he didnot marry Alice?
I cannot find a marriage for Roberts / Howells cica 1910

1911 England Census
02 Apr 1911 Ludlow Shropshire England
52 Corve Street, Ludlow
Edward Roberts b circa 1883 a Groom Chilton Berkshire
Spouse Martha Louisa Roberts
Children Elsie Baker Howells died 1941 Shrewsbury

This ties in with the info on the census

ROBERTS, FREDERICK EDWARD HOWELLS
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 06A Page 528,
Frederick E was buried 4 April 1911 in Ludlow

ROBERTS RICHARD HENRY HOWELLS
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 06A Page 498
Deaths Jun 1911
Roberts Richard H 0 Ludlow 6a 348
Burial date 16 June 1911

Edward Roberts aged 78 Burial 10 February 1965 All Saints Chilton

Could this be Alice?
Name: Alice May Roberts
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 14 May 1892 ? ( 17/04/1892)
Registration Date: Jun 1980
Registration district: Reading and Wokingham
Volume: 19 Page: 0165
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Re: Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby phsvm » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:51 am

Yes - this is him on the 1911 census in Ludlow. I have not been able to find a marriage for Edward and Martha even though they state they had been married for 1 year on the census. As I said in my original post, I had found him in 1911 supposedly married by with no evidence to support this claim other that what he put on the census.

They also state they had 2 children one of which was RIP. Yes, that does fit in with the 2 births of Frederick and Richard along with Frederick's death before the census and Richard's after the census. I am no doubting that these were his children - the format of using the mother's maiden name in amongst the father's name is similar to that used by his mother at his birth.

The 1911 census also lists another child - Elsie b. 1902. She died in 1941 in a mental hospital. I don't believe she was related to Edward. Martha died in 1930 - her death registration is under the name HOWELLS.

Edwards military papers survive and he quite clearly states he is single with no children. He also lists his next of kin as his father and it is his father who is notified when he is listed missing in 1917.

Yes. That is his burial in 1965 and yes, that is Alice's death in 1980.
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Re: Marriage of Edward Roberts to Alice 1920 - 30

Postby elsabels » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:26 pm

Having thought about this, I would be inclined to purchase the .pdf of the death of Martha Louisa Howells.

It appears that she didnot marry Edward Roberts and he didnot marry Alice!

There is always the possibility that there is a total transcription error but in both instances...no
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