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O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby Karen196 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:35 pm

I am trying to locate the family of John O'Brien b1821 and his wife Catherine (nee Kenny) b1831. They appear in St George Ecclesiastical Parish in Manchester in 1861 and 1871 census then I can't find any trace of any of them or their potential 9 children in 1881.

They all seem to just disappear!

The only one I can find after that date is my 2x Gt Grandfather Francis O'Brien who appears in Liverpool in 1901 and 1911.

Children: Catherine 1856, Mary 1857, Ellen 1860, Francis 1962, Elizabeth 1864, Margaret 1867, Bridget 1870, Jane 1871, Catherine 1873

Thanks, Karen


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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby elsabels » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:09 pm

1891
RG12; Piece: 3219; Folio: 13; Page: 20
1 Walker Stret ( Regent Road Salford)
Bridget O'brien 52
John O'brien 34
James O'brien 22
Francis O'brien 30 widower Boarder Joiners Lab'r Manchester

I've changed the 1871 census surname for Obrien to O'brien on ancetsry you get more 'hits' now!

Look at the Manchester Prison records on FMP
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby Karen196 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:43 am

Thanks, I will definitely check out variations of the name but I'm not sure that that is the right family you have found. Thanks though. I have found Catherine's prison records, but will check for others.
Many thanks, Karen
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby janmlawson » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:49 pm

Have you looked in America? I had family who came to Manchester from Ireland and they left around then.
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby Karen196 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:35 am

Thank you, that is a very good idea. Will look into it.
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby elsabels » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:00 pm

Baptism: 7 Nov 1858 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Joannes O'Brien - [Child] of Joannes O'Brien & Catherine (formerly Kenney)
Born: 1 Nov 1858
Godparents: Michael Brevan; Bergitta Sheridan
Parents' Marital Status: conj.
Baptised by: Edmd. Cantwell
Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 158, Entry 3414
Source: Original Register

Baptism: 17 Aug 1862 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Franciscus O'Brien - filius Johannis O'Brien & Catharinae Kenny (formerly Kenny)
Born: 11 Aug 1862
Godparents: Johannes Tyman; Anna Keegan
Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C.
Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1865, Page 270
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism: 18 Jul 1875 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Joannes Josephus O'Brien - filius Joannis O'Brien & Catharinae (formerly Kenny)
Born: 3 Jul 1875
Godparents: Jacobus McDonald; Fanny McDonald
Baptised by: J. F. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1883, Page 77
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism from LancsOPC site
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby sdup26 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:24 am

As elsabels found, John and Catherine had a son, John Joseph, in Ancoats in July 1875, although unfortunately, it looks as if he may have died. John Joseph O'Brien, died aged 2, Sept 1877, Manchester 8d 188, so they were in the city in 1877. Have you ruled out the Catherine O'Brien death in 1879? Catherine O'Brien d Sept Q 1879 Manchester 8d 107, aged 49. If this isn't your Catherine, have you found the family in 1891? It's always possible they simply weren't enumerated in 1881.
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Re: O'Brien's London or Irelan: missing from 1881 census onw

Postby milliest » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 pm

O'Briens seem to be difficult to find as there are so many of them. Mine are hiding, pre-1827 probably London, possibly Ireland. Edmund O'Brien died in India (got burial and will etc) but cannot find marriage to Mary or births of daughters Mary Ann and Ellen. Mary was in London at the time of Edmunds death. He seems to have been in the HEIC Police Department as a fire engine constable.
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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby Karen196 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:09 pm

elsabels wrote:Baptism: 7 Nov 1858 St Patrick, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Joannes O'Brien - [Child] of Joannes O'Brien & Catherine (formerly Kenney)
Born: 1 Nov 1858
Godparents: Michael Brevan; Bergitta Sheridan
Parents' Marital Status: conj.
Baptised by: Edmd. Cantwell
Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1867, Page 158, Entry 3414
Source: Original Register

Baptism: 17 Aug 1862 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Franciscus O'Brien - filius Johannis O'Brien & Catharinae Kenny (formerly Kenny)
Born: 11 Aug 1862
Godparents: Johannes Tyman; Anna Keegan
Baptised by: J. J. DeGryse M. C.
Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1865, Page 270
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism: 18 Jul 1875 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Joannes Josephus O'Brien - filius Joannis O'Brien & Catharinae (formerly Kenny)
Born: 3 Jul 1875
Godparents: Jacobus McDonald; Fanny McDonald
Baptised by: J. F. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1883, Page 77
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism from LancsOPC site
thank you, I will check this new info out


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Re: O'Brien's Manchester: missing from 1881 census onwards

Postby Karen196 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:13 pm

sdup26 wrote:As elsabels found, John and Catherine had a son, John Joseph, in Ancoats in July 1875, although unfortunately, it looks as if he may have died. John Joseph O'Brien, died aged 2, Sept 1877, Manchester 8d 188, so they were in the city in 1877. Have you ruled out the Catherine O'Brien death in 1879? Catherine O'Brien d Sept Q 1879 Manchester 8d 107, aged 49. If this isn't your Catherine, have you found the family in 1891? It's always possible they simply weren't enumerated in 1881.


Hiya, I haven't ruled out either Catherine's death. I seem to recall from my info that John died first but I'll have to re-check as there are a lot of John O'Brien's. I haven't found any of the children or parents apart from Francis after 1871. I've just ordered the birth cert of Catherine who may be theirs in 1873 this may give some more clues. Thanks for your help


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