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James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby lesleyyates » Thu May 31, 2018 5:35 pm

I would be grateful for any help in locating the birth/baptism of JAMES WILLIAM ELLIS, who was born in Hertfordshire around 1853. On his marriage certificate (6 December 1874, Independent Chapel, Tunbridge Wells, to Sarah Elizabeth Hickson), James’ father is named as JAMES ELLIS, bootmaker. On the 1881, 1891 and 1911 censuses, James gives his birth place as St Albans Hertfordshire, but on the 1901 census, James gives his birth place as Hatfield, Hertfordshire. I have been unable to locate him on the 1861 and 1871 censuses.

On several family trees on Ancestry, James’ date of birth is given as 21 July 1854, St Albans, though no parents are named and which church within St Albans is not specified.
James had various occupations including labourer, carter , coal porter, domestic coachman or omnibus driver, postman, licensed victualler. His last occupation was factory night watchman. He was living in Tunbridge Wells at the time of his marriage and for the birth of his first 2 children, but then moved to London (Hackney, then Islington).

As stated above, James married Sarah Elizabeth Hickson. According to the 1911 census, they had 7 children, of whom I have identified 6: John Walter (1876), Alice Maud Mary (1877), William (1880), James Henry (1886), Rose Elizabeth (1887) and George William (1888).

James William Ellis died on 4th July 1923 and was buried in Islington Cemetery on 11th July 1923.

James has eluded me for the past 15 years - I would love to find him!
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:31 pm

lesleyyates wrote:On the 1881, 1891 and 1911 censuses, James gives his birth place as St Albans Hertfordshire, but on the 1901 census, James gives his birth place as Hatfield

James and Sarah seem to have switched round birth places in 1901. Is this Sarah's birth registration?
March 1853 Hatfield 3a 246
Hickson, Sarah Elizabeth
mother's maiden surname Ellis

A strange coincidence!
Sarah and family seem to be in Shenley in 1861. Census says her mum, also Sarah, was born in Toddington, Bedfordshire.
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:31 pm

Sarah may well have had a cousin James Ellis, the son of her uncle James (born Toddington 1821) But cousin James was several years older than her, was born in Hatfield, and his father was not a shoe maker!

Then there is James Pearce, living in St Albans in 1861. Similar age to the mysterious James Ellis. Was he another cousin? His mother was Ann, born in Toddington. Father James, a shoe mender. Transcript courtesy of FamilySearch here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7N2-9ZN

The younger brother John might be John Edward Pearce registered in St Albans in Sep 1857, mother's maiden surname Ellis
The census suggests that young James Pearce may not have been born in St Albans. If that is the case, there is this possibility
Sep 1854 Islington 1b 228
Pearce, James William
mother Ellis

But it looks like he was baptized in St Albans.
James William Pearce
Christening Date: 30 Dec 1855
Christening Place: Abbey, Saint Albans, Hertford
Father's Name: James Pearce
Mother's Name: Ann

And indeed brother John Edward was baptized there in 1860.
What happened to this James William Pearce? Don't know at the moment!
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:33 pm

Ann, the eleven year old hat maker in 1861, is a bit of a puzzle.
Could she perhaps have been this illegitimate Sarah Ann?
Name: Sarah Ann Ellis
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Dec 1850
Christening Place: Abbey, Saint Albans, Hertford
Mother's Name: Ann Ellis

Registered Sep 1850, St Albans, with a dash for the mother's maiden name in the new GRO index.
When, where, did James Pearce and Ann Ellis marry? Or did they even?

ianbee wrote:St Albans in 1861. Transcript courtesy of FamilySearch

May not be the best transcription ever!
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:58 am

Having had a look at those Pearce baptisms in St Albans, James is given as Labourer.
There was also Elizabeth in 1860, on which father James Pearce was a Shoemender

Also a burial in St Albans, 22 Dec 1867, Ann Pearce, age 45.
Which could tie in with this baptism in Toddington, indexed on FamilySearch
24 Dec 1822 - Ann Ellis, born 18 Nov 1822, parents Edward + Elizabeth.

The age of Ann Pearce in the 1861 census looks like 36 (husband James was younger). In 1871 there's a James Pearce, 44, and (son) John, 14, in St Albans. But no Ann or young James?

Again it boils down to what happened to J W Pearce born circa 1854. Could he have used his mother's name of Ellis and hitched up with his cousin Sarah? At least it's something to investigate. That birth place in 1861 looks like Middx Hikney Vale! But if the Pearce family were back in St Albans soon after, he may have said he was born there (perhaps he thought he was)
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:25 pm

Confirmation of some of the speculation comes from the marriage of Sarah Ann at St Peter, St Albans
October 19th 1868
Eli Stone, 22, Bachelor, Labourer, father George Stone, Labourer
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Sarah Anne Ellis, 20, Spinster, father James Pearce, Labourer
residence for both St. Peter's
wit Joseph Hindell, Ann White
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:43 pm

An exciting development!
As mentioned, James + John Pearce were in St Albans in 1871. James was described as brother to Robert Skiner (sic), whose wife was Jane
Piece 1379 folio 12 pages 15 and 16
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6N-ZM1

I do think that, in this instance, John is son of James, not son of Robert the head.
And the marriage for the Skinners would appear to be 21 April 1867 at St Alban
Robert Skinner
+
Jane Pearce, full, Spinster, Abbey Parish, father Joseph Pearce, Labourer

Back to 1871, to get the address/street name for the Skinner/Pearce household we have to go back to folio 11 page 14 and it is Christopher Yard

This is the exciting bit. Could it be a possible sighting of the James Ellis we have been after?
A militia record.
In November 1871, at St Albans, James Ellis, age 17, signs up for the Hertfordshire Militia. Says he is born in the parish of The Abbey, St. Albans. Gives a description.
No next of kin named, but an address. In Christopher Yard!
Attachments
James Ellis Attestation.JPG
James Ellis Attestation.JPG (46.24 KiB) Viewed 1963 times
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby elsabels » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:34 pm

James Ellis attestation paper states that he was employed by Mr BLIGH of Tottenham Middlesex as a Lab'r

The 1871 census has the following entry
RG10; Piece: 1339; Folio: 7; Page: 5
*Joseph Conisbee 43 Baker Northam, Hertfordshire,
Mary Conisbee 45 Teddington, Bedfordshire,
James Ellis 16 Nephew Highbury, Middlesex, The place of birth could be an enumerartor's error

*Marriage to Joseph
Name: Mary Ellis
Marriage Date: 29 Feb 1852
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Islington, Islington, England
Father: Edward Ellis
Spouse: Joseph Comsbee

The entry below is
RG10; Piece: 1339; Folio: 7; Page: 5
George Blythe 53 Gardener Ware, Hertfordshire, could this be the name on the attestation papers?)
Sophia Blythe 43
Louisa Blythe 6
Thomas George Blythe 6 Months

Name: Sophia Elizabeth Bennett = George Blythe
Registration Year: 1863
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Edmonton
Volume: 3a Page: 183
George Blythe

Name: James Ellis
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1853
Marriage Place: Toddington,Bedford,England
Father: James Ellis
Spouse: Mary Ann Gilbert
Maybe you need to build a tree around the Ellis family of Toddington
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby ianbee » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:56 pm

They are really great finds, elsabels.
Highbury needn't be an enumerator error (re the Islington birth registration I mentioned, perhaps he did know where he was born after all, or his aunt did!)
It's this bit that gets me though
elsabels wrote:Maybe you need to build a tree around the Ellis family of Toddington

It's not like I haven't mentioned them in my previous posts!
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Re: James William Ellis - born Hertfordshire c.1854

Postby elsabels » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:12 am

ianbee

One thing having the info, different thing displaying it in a family tree which I hope the OP will do

There is a tree on ancestry containing Reginald Davies Ellis!
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