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69th Regiment of Foot

Postby JMcK » Sun May 20, 2018 4:45 am

I have series of Rolton births that are listed in the British Armed forces register of overseas births and baptisms between 1827 and 1841 to a member of the 69th Regiment of foot. If they all belong to the same family (and I think they do) then their father was Thomas ROLTON who was a paymaster/quartermaster for the regiment

the places of birth range in order from
London 1827
Castlebar (Ireland) 1828
Kinsale (Ireland) 1832
Templemore (Ireland) 1833
Clare (Ireland) 1835
Chatham (Kent) 1836
Kent (no town named but GRO gives Dover) 1838
Yonghall (ireland) 1839
Fredericton (New Brunswick) 1841

Now this is very nice BUT the history of the 69th regiment on the internet archive says :-

"The 69th was stationed in England and Ireland from 1826 to Nov., 1831, when it sailed for the West Indies, and was stationed in detachments in the island of St. Vincent until its removal to Demerara, in 1835.

The regiment remained in Demerara until 1838; when it embarked for Barbadoes,

In January, 1839, the regiment sailed for Halifax, Nova Scotia, and at once moved from
thence to New Brunswick, then occupied by an American force, who held possession of the disputed territory in that Province. After the withdrawal of the American forces from the Province, the 69th concentrated at St. John, N. B. The regiment embarked for home and arrived in Cork, on September Id, 1842, and renialned in England and Ireland until 1847"


So the only dates that fit are the first 2 in 1827 and 1828 and the 1841 birth in New Brunswick
Thomas ROLTON died in April 1843 buried in Dublin and is recorded as age 42 Quarter Master Sargent. Richmond Barracks 69th Regiment.

The online history makes no mention of the regiment being divided into two.
the 1836 child, Elizabeth ROLTON, born Chatham was baptised at St Mary's, Chatham Kent 9 Oct 1836. I haven't been able to look at the image yet as it is locked on Family Search but when she married in 1858 she described her father Thomas as pay sargent of the 69th

So, what I want to know is, why he would have been moving around so much and yet not with his own regiment. Where might I look?
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun May 20, 2018 7:23 am

I would explore the possibility that you are seeing where the UK depot of the regiment was - somewhere there had to be a base to channel supplies etc out to the overseas deployment. That might make sense given his role. (Bear in mind that one reason for the reforms of 1881 and about, is the desire to give regiments a fixed base.)

Probably you'd need a seriously detailed regimental history that covers backroom details to confirm or contradict my thoughts.

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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby ianbee » Sun May 20, 2018 7:35 am

Jo, if it's the Chatham baptism that's locked on FamilySearch, you can see it on CityArk
Here in fact
https://cityark.medway.gov.uk/wwwopacx/ ... 85-01-29(2).pdf

Image 24 of 76. It's all changed on there recently, takes a while to get used to it!
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Link doesn't seem to work!
Try this one
https://cityark.medway.gov.uk/Details/archive/110002221

And click on
Digitised version
P085-01-29(2).pdf
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby JMcK » Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 am

Thank you both.
I thought that too about a base Adrian, but it seems odd he moved virtually annually when the regiment wasn’t even there!
National Archives here I come I think.

Ian, Eventually it let me in! Interesting there is the baptism I am interested in, but also children of two privates of the 69th on the same day. But none before or after. Perhaps it was prior to embarkation

Edit to add - their movements are in the newspapers. You were right Adrian. It’s the Depot of the 69th. Still don’t understand why they had to march all over the place though.
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:48 am

How interesting - never seen a newspaper report like that. Though I haven't looked either.

I'm not sure of the size of companies then, but my reaction is that 2 companies is a substantial number of guys. That and the use of the word "garrison" makes me wonder if the regimental depots could be a bit more substantial than just a stores function.

In which case, if you wanted to confirm this, and can get to the National Archives at Kew, then consulting the Muster Books and Pay Lists for the 69th could reveal the truth as the 69th Depot might have its own section in the regimental MB&PL. Or... some depots had an MB&PL of their own, with lines for each unit with soldiers there. One way or another, if you could locate them, that would confirm where your chap was, as he will have a line in someone's Muster Book and Pay List for each quarter.

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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby JMcK » Sun May 20, 2018 10:04 am

There are a LOT of troop movements in the newspapers ( now I’m looking for them). Plus a dedicated “Naval & Military Gazette” which reports them in numerical order.
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby ianbee » Tue May 22, 2018 9:33 am

He's Rotton in the 1841 British Army Worldwide Index!
Thomas Rotton
Qm Sgt 69th Foot
Service Number 47
located at Fredericton, Canada

TNA reference for the muster(s) provided.
Also in Memorials of the Dead in Ireland.
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby JMcK » Tue May 22, 2018 10:23 am

Which matches birth of Alfred in Fredericton and regiment movements in newspapers.

Burial is Dublin 1843. Of Richmond barracks
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby peter kent » Thu May 24, 2018 3:37 pm

I don't know if you realised that if a birth is listed in the overseas indexes, you can order a birth certificate from GRO.
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Re: 69th Regiment of Foot

Postby JMcK » Thu May 24, 2018 8:06 pm

Yes, thanks Peter. I’ve ordered Sarah’s.
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