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Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Whiteblade » Sat May 19, 2018 8:38 am

This is my great grandfather Charles Edward Smart (1874-1905). I am struggling to identify his medal and cannot find a feasible service record for him. The most likely appears to be the Ashanti medal from a little known conflict in 1900 called the War of the Golden Stool ( you couldn’t make this up!). Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Jethro Tull » Sat May 19, 2018 7:51 pm

Hi whiteblade,

I am not too certain its the Ashanti medal. The ribbon for that medal has a more narrow central stripe. Medal ribbons are really hard to identify from old sepia and black and white photos as the colours are distorted. There are not too many medals issued around that period that had a straight suspender, quite a few had a very a ornate suspender. To me the ribbon is reminiscent of the Queens South Africa medal in its style, combined with a bar too, however the colours are not what I would expect. I'm trawling through my books to find something that could fit. Do you have anything other pics that could help if they show a cap badge or something?

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Jethro Tull » Sat May 19, 2018 8:07 pm

I'm now thinking that this could be a Q.S.A. I've been rummaging through my books and searching online and old photos of this medal do show a very similar looking ribbon. Do you have the original photo? any dates on it or the photographer may help to date the pic and eliminate medals from there.


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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Whiteblade » Sun May 20, 2018 7:28 am

On reflection I think you’re probably right Dan, but I found it hard to reconcile the light and dark shades on the photo with the yellow and blue on the QSA ribbon. Now I will focus my research on service records from the Boer War.
I suppose that means for Charles the Golden Stool has gone down the pan.

Thanks

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:50 am

Other message boards don't have our sophisticated sense of humour. :-)

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby AdrianB38 » Sun May 20, 2018 10:06 am

Now, having looked up the Golden Stool in Wikipedia, I do feel a touch guilty about my flippant response - it's actually a hugely important object...

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Jethro Tull » Sun May 20, 2018 10:31 am

To be fair it is an important part if history. But I too chuckled at the humour!

I've been looking for a Charles Edward Smart in the medal rolls for the Q.S.A, we are looking, from the pic at least, for a one bar medal entitlement. Not found anything that leaps out at me yet. Have any other info of a possible regiment for your chap?

Dan

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby Whiteblade » Sun May 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Thanks for your comments gentlemen. I always feel a a humourous quip is worthwhile.

Looking on Wikipedia myself I have discounted the Ashanti medal as there were no British forces at this conflict and only 4400 medals issued compared with 178000 for the QSA.

I don’t have any more information about Charles but there is a likely service record on forces-War-records. I suppose I will have to spend to find out.

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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby meekhcs » Sun May 20, 2018 3:54 pm

There is a Charles Edward Smart mentioned on Forces War Records.
It says he is South African, a trooper, service no 1357 andhe received the QSA and KSA. That is all the info the record contains.

edited: Unit -Kitcheners Flying Scouts
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Re: Is his medal the Ashanti medal?

Postby ianbee » Sun May 20, 2018 4:42 pm

meekhcs wrote:There is a Charles Edward Smart mentioned on Forces War Records.

To be fair to ancestry, it is on there (UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949)
Name: Chas Edw Smart / Ch Edw Smart
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Place: South Africa
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name: 2nd Kitcheners Fighting Scots
Regimental Number: 1357
Source Citation:
National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Class: WO 100; Piece: 257

Second entry is crossed through, says see above
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