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Richard PROCTOR

Postby SDV » Mon May 14, 2018 4:01 pm

I would appreciate some help with sorting out the life of Richard Proctor.

All I know for certain is that he married Selina Cartaret GETTLIFFE on 08 Sep 1834 in Paddington. In 1841, the couple were living in Hanover Square, with their 5 yr old son, also named Richard. Richard Snr was described as a plumber, not born in Middlesex. In 1851, the couple were living in Bloomsbury. Richard Snr was still described as a plumber and his birth place as Manchester, whilst their son now aged 15 was described as an apprentice plumber. Selina died shortly after the census in September 1851.

After this, I have no clear record of what became of Richard. There is a Richard from Manchester who is a plumber in the 1861 census [RG9 67 115 33], who if it is my man has re-married to a Mary Ann. If this is my man, I can find no record of this second marriage. Nor can I find him in subsequent censuses.

I would ideally like to know if he re-married and if so to whom. I would also like to know when he died.
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby MoVidger » Mon May 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Possible death registration (considering the 1861 census location for Richard and Mary Ann is Marylebone):
PROCTER, RICHARD age 49
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 277
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby ianbee » Tue May 15, 2018 9:24 am

There's a widowed Mary Ann Proctor - well, calling herself a widow anyway - who married George Stringer in Marylebone in 1863. Father James Ward, Tailor
Mr Stringer was a bricklayer and they seem to be around in 1871 and 1881. On the latter census at least her age is a match.
Can't really see a likely marriage in the London area for a Mary Ward to a Proctor, so just maybe she could have been your mysterious Mary Ann with Richard in 1861.
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby SDV » Tue May 15, 2018 3:26 pm

Very interesting. We really need a marriage between Richard Procter and Mary Ann Ward, which if it happened was between 1851 and 1861.

At present, I am searching for the birth of Mary Ann Ward somewhere in St Pancras, with a father named George. No luck so far.

She could, of course, have been married before she met Richard. If so we have no idea of her married name.

PS There is a possible death in Marylebone for Mary Ann Stringer aged 70 - Q3 1888 Marylebone 1a 325

PSS There is also a possible birth/baptism for Mary Ann WARD, b 19 Apr 1818 and bap 08 Dec 1820, at St Mary, Marylebone. Father: James Ward. Mother: Sarah
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby elsabels » Tue May 15, 2018 7:36 pm

Name: Mary Ann Procter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Marylebone, London
Volume: 1a Page: 469

Searching you will get an improved result if you use Proct*r
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby ianbee » Tue May 15, 2018 11:05 pm

I wonder if that one was the wife of Edward the carpenter?
In 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJ7-3TK

Edward seems to be still around in Marylebone in 1881, but widowed.
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby SDV » Mon May 21, 2018 2:34 pm

Hard to know. I guess I will have to purchase the PDF certificate to see who she was married to.
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby ianbee » Mon May 21, 2018 3:59 pm

Have you tried for the Richard Procter death in 1861 that Mo found?
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby MayHam » Tue May 22, 2018 10:08 pm

There was a Mary Ann Ward who married in Hackney in the December quarter of 1855 [vol 1b pg 435].
Other names listed include, which I find odd because three men are listed but only two women:
BLOOMFIELD Sarah
GALLIERS Richard
LAWS Henry
YETTON John
I've downloaded the original index and the page numbers are hard to read.
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk

It appears Richard Jr. married Emma Holland in St. Giles in the March quarter of 1858 [vol 1b pg 358].
Any chance his marriage certificate might state whether his father is deceased or not?

Their first child, Selina Ann(ie), was born in St. Pancras in 1859 and baptised in Greenwich in 1864.
Didn't mention any witness, though.

Emma's parents are living with them in St. Pancras in 1861.
https://search.findmypast.com/record?id ... 0000651540
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Re: Richard PROCTOR

Postby elsabels » Thu May 24, 2018 3:24 pm

1858 Marriage on line brief details are:
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1858
Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1858
Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Name: Richard Proctor
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1858
Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Father: Richard Proctor a plumber
Spouse: Emma Holland
Register Type: Parish Register
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