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Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby phsvm » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:41 pm

I am trying to trace Joseph Harris on the 1938 Register but have so far drawn a blank. Can anyone have better luck than me?

Facts known about Joseph:-

He was born on 2 July 1881 in Wigton, Cumberland. This date comes from his death registration so may be slighty wrong but the year is corrrect and the day and month is the best I have to go on. He should not be confused with Joseph Leonard G Harris, also born in WIgton in 1885 and married to Sarah.

In 1911 he was a jockey/groom in Chilton, Berkshire but after that he disappears until his death registration back in Wigton in 1969.

As ever, your help is much appreciated.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby Sylcec » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:42 pm

Many successful jockeys did not confine their riding to England but travelled overseas to continue/promote their careers. He could have gone to Europe, India or Hong Kong for instance, which would explain his absence from records in England.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby JaneyH » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:18 pm

Following up on the racing angle, if Joseph was a jockey (rather than just a groom) then he would have needed a licence. I’ve had a quick look at newspaper articles on FindMyPast and found a reference which could be him in 1914, but would a better route be to contact the Jockey Club and see if they hold archives? This is new territory to me but any type of bureaucracy leaves a set of records behind! Good luck.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby phsvm » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:55 pm

Thanks JaneyH. I assume you mean the reference in Hull naming jockeys just receiving their licence?

My only though - and this goes for Sylvec's suggestion as well - is that by 1914 he'd have been 33 so old for a jockey.

Jockey Club definately worth pursing though.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby JMcK » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:30 am

Lester Piggott was still riding at age 47 in 1982 and no doubt after that.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby phsvm » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:14 am

Lester Piggott - the exception to the rule. He was also in prison at 60 which rather confirms that!

On a serious note - that may be the case but he started riding early. If this guy didn't get a licence to race till he was in his 30s it rather indicates he wasn't a 'top flight' jockey. If he had been he'd have been snapped up by a trainer at a much earlier age so his career may have been very short, and of course cut even shorter by the outbreak of war.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby ianbee » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:31 pm

Joseph died 30 October 1969.
His address was Inglewood Old Peoples Home Lowmoor Rd Wigton.
Left a will. Value of estate £392.
Doesn't help much, sorry!
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby phsvm » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:23 pm

Thanks Ianbee. I knew the year and that the death was registered in Wigton but it's all putting the puzzle together.

The real mystery is where he was from the start of WW1 until his death. I know he served but unfortunately his military records don't survive and there are too many Medal Index Cards in the name Joseph Harris to be able to ascertain which is his!

Being able to place him in 1939 would be a start.

I think I've traced two great great nephews so maybe they'll be able to help.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby ianbee » Wed May 09, 2018 12:57 pm

Now that the 39 Register is on ancestry (as you know!), a candidate
Joseph Harris
born 2 July 81
Single
Stableman

Living 6 Woodcote Green Road, Epsom, wth a couple called Marshall.
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Re: Joseph Harris in 1939 - an elusive man!

Postby phsvm » Wed May 09, 2018 6:18 pm

Bingo!

Thanks Ian. So having access to two versions of the same document is already proving beneficial!
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