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Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby RobPurser » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:20 pm

I am trying to find out more about my great grandfather. He was born in Italy on 6 Nov 1882. His father was Pasquale but I don't know anything about him except he was dead when Giovanni married in 1918. In Givoanni's marriage certificate Pasquale was described as of independent means for profession. Giovanni married Maria Kraft in 1918.

According to my grandmother she thought her father Giovanni came to England around 1900. He went on to become known as John and was a gents hairdresser. He died in Hendon in 1969.

I can't go back any further as I don't know how to access records in Italy.

I wonder if anybody can help.

Thanks.

Rob
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby woodchal » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:59 am

There is another forum discussion on this https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/ ... ad/1363903

Did the blood line turn out to be Thorvald Jensen, not Giovanni as suggested there?
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby woodchal » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:46 am

A tree on ancestry (Purser Family Tree) would appear to suggest that Thorvald was a tailer in 1901 census and somehow off the scene by the 1911, when Maria was living with someone calling themselves John Jensen (Hairdresser), but believed to be Giovanni by the tree owner with a nationality of Italian. Maria's nationality is given as Swedish.

If "John Jensen" is actually Giovanni, although they did not marry until 1918 then there would appear to be some subterfuge going on back then. It appears that Maragert Torella was registered in 1906 as Margaret Jenson (mother Kraft) with a handwritten entry into the registration index.

Who is Margaret's father?
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby RobPurser » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:43 am

Woodchal,

That is my family tree on Ancestry and as you can see the Torella line stops at Pasquale with no information.

I have concluded that John Jensen was Giovanni and therefore my grandmother's father. I think there was some saving of blushes going on.

Interestingly I can't find anything about Thorvald Jensen and why he and Maria (my grandmother's mother) split, whether they divorced or not and where he ended up.

Rob
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby RobPurser » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:45 am

Thanks JMcK. Will have a read of this.
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby elsabels » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:38 pm

You have Maria C KRAFT b 1880 Sweden d/o of Augusta KRAFT b 1856

Maria appears to adopt the name Mary and marries

Name: Mary Kraft
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 1135
Thorvald Heinrich Yensen

Later that year she gives birth to a daughter

JENSEN, CHRISTINA AUGUSTA KRAFT
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 475

The family can be found in 1901
1901
Eccleshall Bierlow
RG13; Piece: 4349; Folio: 109
Thornald Jensen 26 Tailor Denmark
Mary Jensen 20
Kristine Jensen 3

In 1911 daughter Kristine can be found with her maternal grandmother

RG14; Piece: 508
26 Dean Street, Soho, London
Augusta Kraft 56
Christiana Jensen 13
Augusta Kraft
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sweden

1906 A child is registered:
JENSEN, MARGARET KRAFT
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 560 Occasional Copy: A

This child is later registered in 1927
First name(s) MARGARET
Last name TORELLA
Birth year 1927
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name Kraft
District St. Giles
County London
Country England
Volume 1B Page 740

1911 Maria /Mary can be found living at 8 Carlisle Street W
with John Jensen a hairdresser

John Jensen 29 Italy hairdresser
Mary Jensen 31 Sweden

1917 Marriage
Giovanni B Torella
Spouse
Maria C Jensen presumably she declares herself as a widow.Marriage
06/1918 Southwark Surrey

1929 daughter Margaret marries, she states her father is John Torella, who appears to signe the register as Giovanni Battista Torella

So Giovanni Battista Torella appears to have been masquerading as John Jensen
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Re: Giovanni Battista Torella 1882 - 1969 Brick Wall

Postby RobPurser » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:38 am

That is all correct Elsabels. Giovanni did become known as John. Sadly I am struggling finding out anything about his ancestry.
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