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Postby T.Ovens7 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:46 pm

Hi I have quite a rare surname Ovens and have traced my family back to 1760 but have hit a brick wall and cannot go back any further. So looking for some help.

I have gone back as far as a David Ovens who married Sarah Symonds in 1776 in southwark London. I cannot find a death or birth record for either of them. I can only find a marriage record and birth/church records for their sons.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby JMcK » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:18 pm

On 28 Nov 1809 at registration in the non conformist register of the children Their mother Sarah is “the only other surviving witness” so one assumes David died before then.

Youngest son Thomas born 21 May 1796. So David died between August 1795 and Nov 1809 And Sarah after 1809. Did she remarry?
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby T.Ovens7 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:46 am

Thank you for your reply and for narrowing down the dates for David Ovens death.

I am finding it odd that I cannot find a death record for him or a birth record. I had thought if I found a death record that occasionally it states an age and that would help with the birth.

Very frustrating as I cannot go back any further without this information. Not sure where to go from here with my research.

Thanks again
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby sdup26 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:06 am

As JMcK says, the Non-Conformist register shows the birth of Benjamin Ovens in 1790, registered in November 1809 by Sarah, his mother and 'only surviving witness.' It also lists three other children: William Ovens b 12/10/1785, Robert Ovens b 10/9/1794, and Thomas Ovens, also apparently born 10/9/1794, all registered on the 28/11/1809, with Sarah named as 'mother and only surviving witness.' Could it suggest that Sarah had 'converted' to non-conformism after David's death, and was registering all her children in the faith? (There's also a burial for a David Ovens, St Giles Camberwell, 28/1/1835, aged 54, so born about 1781.)
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby devonliz » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:24 am

I am sure you will have thought of this, but is it possible that Ovens is a version of Owens?
Could David have come to London from Wales?
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby sdup26 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:21 pm

There are quite a few Ovens records in Scotland too.
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby T.Ovens7 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:51 pm

Hello thank you for all your replies.

Firstly yes I think Sarah did register the children after Davids death and maybe she did change religion. The David Ovens death record was their son born 1781. I did also find it odd that the first child was born 1781 and they got married in 1776 but I cannot find any records for any births but may be more children.

I have seen Ovens in Scotland, Ireland and quite a few in Wiltshire but still couldn't see a birth record for David saw some possibilities though.

Ovens could be a variation of Owens. A few of my relatives were blacksmiths so wasn't sure if the surname was related to the profession.

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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby ianbee » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:12 pm

Witnesses were Benjamin Coxhead and Mary Coxhead.
If they were a married couple, possibly Benjamin Coxhead + Mary Watson Symonds who married at St Saviour Southwark, 7 January 1771 - witnesed by Sarah Symonds (from the signatures she looks likely to me to be the same lady)
So maybe a clue for Sarah there.

Looks like the Coxheads were nonconformists too!
As with Sarah Ovens, on the childrens baptism records Mary's parents are named as John + Mary Symonds.
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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby T.Ovens7 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:51 am

Hi Yes I noticed that about the coxheads and I believe Mary Coxhead to be Sarah's sister. I have found birth records for both of them in Tewkesbury Gloucester with John and Mary as parents.

So not sure if she met David in gloucester as I know there are Ovens not far from that area.

Its a shame that on David and Sarah's marriage records it doesn't give the grooms parents names as on some other records I have seen sometimes it does certainly in later years it does.

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Re: Help Needed have hit a brick wall

Postby sdup26 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:44 pm

I'm afraid this is no help with finding a David Ovens birth, but just for interest, Andrews New London Directory 1776-1800, lists a D. Ovens, ironmonger/smith/metal worker.
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