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Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby Aarhus96 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:46 am

I'm looking for any information about Elizabeth Mary Mangan, who lived in Sliema, Malta from 1931 - 1935.
She was born in Dublin, Ireland, circa 1896, and returned to England in 1935 on the MS Orari, landing at Hull, in August 1935 with her two daughters.
Any advice regarding how I may find ANY information about her stay in Malta would be gratefully received.
Thanks.
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby ianbee » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:13 pm

Aarhus96 wrote:circa 1896

Possible -
Elizabeth Mary
parents Edward Mangan, Labourer, and Mary Mangan, formerly Mooney
born 28 October 1896
at 3 Redmonds Cottages, Pimlico, Dublin

Elizabeth Mangan claims to be married on that 1935 passenger list.
And, if it is the same lady, says she is a widow on the 1939 Register (born 28 Oct 1898, living 46 Porten Road, Hammersmith)

She married George Arthur Neave in Hammersmith in 1945, they are living at 75 Westwick Gardens, later we see her two daughters on the electoral registers there.
Two interesting things about that
George is indexed as Reave by the GRO (did it say that on the marriage record?)
Elizabeth's surname is not updated on the 1939 Register (not unique of course)

Death, Dec 1982 Fulham
Neave, Elizabeth Mary
d-o-b 28 Oct 1896

Aarhus96 wrote: ANY information

I guess this attached snippet is something!
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby Aarhus96 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:32 pm

Thank you for your information.
I actually have all that information.

What I was / am asking for is:
information about Elizabeth Mary Mangan whilst she was living IN MALTA BETWEEN 1931 AND 1935.

Please can anybody help me find information re how/when Elizabeth Mary Mangan travelled to Malta? and what she did whilst she was there?

Many thanks.
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby ianbee » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:27 pm

Hi
The more background info that we have, the more likely it is someone will come up with something.
Definition of circa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circa

And I have given you something from Elizabeth's time in Malta - the renewal of her passport.
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:23 pm

The chances of there being any record about how she travelled to Malta are slim. Passenger Lists are not normally kept for journeys to Europe or the Mediterranean, or the reverse. The exception appears to be (as here) where a ship from outside that area picks up in the Med before returning to the UK - self evidently if you're going to track people from India or the Antipodes, it doesn't help to have a bunch of guys wandering around with no details just because they claim to have got on at Alexandria (say) or (in this case) Malta.

So if EMM went out to Malta on a ship just going to the Med, there will be no passenger list kept. If she crossed the Channel to France before taking a train to the South Coast of France and crossing the Med to Malta, again, no passenger lists.

Whether a list would be kept if she travelled on a Australia-bound (say) ship that called at Malta, I have no idea. I suspect that the outbound list from London or wherever would need to be compiled for everyone on board, just as for the reverse case.
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby Aarhus96 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:47 pm

Hi Ian,
Many thanks for the definition of "circa".
I used the word "circa" deliberately in my initial post, as I have discovered that in some other documents EMM's date of birth varies between 1892 and 1901.
Also, soon after 1965, her 'age' appears to remain at a consistent '60 years' - and I am unsure what birth year EMM used whilst in Malta.

Many thanks for the information about EMM's 1935 passport renewal.
Please would you tell me where you obtained a copy of EMM's passport renewal information? (ie the source document and where it may be found).
Many thanks,
Aland.
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby ianbee » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:26 pm

Hi
I am afraid it was all I could find on FamilySearch for Malta.
Lots of passport records/indexes
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=2822601
Renewals of passports 1931-1937
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Re: Elizabeth Mary Mangan - Sliema, Malta 1931-1935

Postby Aarhus96 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:08 pm

Hi Ian,
Many thanks for your help.
Aland
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