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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:28 am

happyfeet48... we have replied to your message and hope that you have received it. I can see how frustrating this is for you as Adolphus didn’t share his former life with his family.. Our grandfather was his son William who, as he was left at a young age along with his sister didn’t even know his own birth date let alone any real information on his father. We were hoping that Adolphus may have told stories of his father or grandfather. Any little piece of information may help no matter how insignificant it may seem.

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:07 am

Maz I see from the weekly update from FMP (to which i don't have a current membership) that a new set of burial records have just gone on line for 'Thames and Medway' and that they include hospital ships (forerunners of the Dreadnought Hospital). If you have FMP membership might be worth a look?
Cheers Margaret (aka sparrow)

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:27 am

Thanks Margaret, we haven’t got FMP membership at the moment, we tend to shift from one to another but I think it could be worth signing up for a while to see if there is any records that are of use to us. Thanks again
Kind regards Marilyn

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:24 am

This site won let me post

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:13 pm

happyfeet48 wrote:This site won let me post

Won’t it let you post on the forum either or is it just private messages?....I received your latest private message and have responded. And the message above posted ok....

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:09 am

Hi Iam Alan Gagg, the son of Florence Helsden,my grandfather was William Helsden,His Father Adolphus Helsden,grandfather George Helsden. Got lots of info on the Helsdens and have pm'd you as well.

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:21 pm

AdrianB38 wrote:NB - for info - the TNA Discovery Catalogue entry for ADM 139/19/1853 gives this:
ADM 139 - Admiralty: Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books
Name: Helsden, George
Place of Birth: At Sea off the Tagus
Continuous Service Number: 1853
Date of Volunteering: 01 July 1853
Date of Birth: 24 December 1822

This can now be seen - after a fashion - on TNA wesbsite using their image viewer
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... r/C9523070

The previously distorted images provided on there seem to have been recently replaced with watermarked images. Not perfect, but an improvement?

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:09 am

What an interesting thread. Despite the frustrations in finding the facts this is the sort of search that makes family history interesting in my opinion.
Can I offer some thoughts of my own?
I would be looking at the dock worker mentioned earlier in this thread. I think the post mentioned working on the docks for 11 years; this would tie in with the James Helsden in the hospital. It would not have been uncommon for boys of 9 or 10 to start working on the docks.
And lastly, look for all George or Frederick Helsden's in the 1841 census. From my experience middle names often went missing in this census.
Hope this helps.

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:12 am

I forgot to add: don't assume illiteracy when both parties did not sign. It was not uncommon for the bride to feign illiteracy to not embarrass her husband.

Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:07 pm

Good afternoon Friends and fellow head scratchers,
We have managed to continue to trace George's family but his father James still eludes us, there is one piece of info that was in front of us which unfortunately hasn't born any fruit which is a connection to Greenwich.
When GFH joined the Royal Navy in 1841 it states on his RN history Sheet that he was from Greenwich which apparently came under Kent in those days but we still have the same brick walls to over come which are;
How or why was GFH and his unnamed mum on board a ship when she gave birth to him in the mouth of the Tagus.
Where did GFH and his mum go after he was born at sea 24/12/1822 until 1841 when he joined the RN.
The only proof? we have that his dads name was James (a mariner) which was on GFH marriage certificate in 1846 but we cannot find a link to GFH anywhere else before or after.
GFH was buried in 1884 with one of his wives in Greenwich which takes us in a full circle.
Kind regards Kevin
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