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George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby sparrow » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:13 am

Wow yet another twist to the story.
Certainly explains why the marriage of GF and Charlotte did not go ahead in 1856.
i suppose it is possible that at one point Charlotte did not know that Thomas Henry was still alive.
Taking on her dead sister's identity was a way out of the dilemma and very possibly totally unknown to most of her children and hence their descendants.
By comparison the parentage, birth and upbringing of GF himself may be quite a straightforward story.Norfolk records are being progressively released on Ancestry this year but no likely sighting yet of GF's (supposed) father James.
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby happyfeet48 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:58 am

Millicent died in 1959 at 119 Water St Cabramatta Sydney NSW, aged 73 so she was born in London 1886
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby elsabels » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:09 am

Name: Mrs M Hilsden was accompanied by
Mr A Hilsden
Ms M Hilsden
Ms A Hilsden
Ms G Hilsden
Ms M Hilsden ((Bracket whole family as - Cape Town)
Departure Place: London, United Kingdom
Arrival date: 23 May 1925
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Baradine
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby happyfeet48 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:35 am

Yes that's correct, children are Alethea, Gabrielle, Margurite, and Marcella Moss but she has come under Hilsden we don't know who she is, I cant even find where in London my Nanna was born. Gabrielle was my Mother she passed away 20th June 1974.
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby elsabels » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:34 pm

This guy was mentioned earlier
England, Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges
1841-1844
George Fletcher
Admission Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1822
Birth Place: Deptford
Admission Date: 27 Apr 1842
Discharge date: 2 May 1842
Admission Place: London, England
States he was an APP height 5' 5" last served on the Sarah

As his birth place is Deptford is GFH using n alias?

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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby sparrow » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:20 am

Tempting...
But I think this could also the George Fletcher who marries Sophia Antrim in 1846 and can be found in the 1851-1881 Censuses, still in Deptford with Sophia and children. In each case occupation given as mariner.
In 1841 he is possibly resident at the Woolwich Dockyard?
And in 1901 apparently living with his son in law and described as 'pauper'.
Interestingly the Christ Church Deptford baptism of one of his daughters (Sophia, b. 14 Feb 1860 but not baptised until 27 April 1873) perhaps illustrates that there is still hope for finding the baptism of GFH!
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby ianbee » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:14 am

AdrianB38 wrote:Let me just try to summarise what we know about GFH's career in the Royal Navy:

HMS Belleisle 26 Oct 1841 - 7 Feb 1842 ("ran", i.e. deserted. Apparently aged 18 at start if we trust the other stuff)
HMS Viper 23 April 1842 - 16 April 1846 (served as George Fletcher)
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby Justmaz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:55 am

We are pretty sure that GFH did change his name to George Fletcher after he jumped ship and needed to get home as mentioned in earlier posts. We have been down the root of researching the name but are pretty sure it was a temporary name change. The only information we have re his father is from his marriage lines wherein he stated his fathers name as James. We cannot substantiate this as no record can be found that would tie in with GFH. He (GFH) was allegedly born at sea 23/12/1822, but we only have census records corroborating this. After his birth on board an unknown ship, he disappeared off the face of the earth only reappearing when he joined the navy. He was/is a man of mystery, and any help to unravel his story would be gratefully received. We are prepared to research any ideas you can come up with as we seem to be going around in circles. Thanks all, Kind regards Maz
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby sparrow » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:54 am

So to clarify: is it the case that the George Fletcher admitted to hospital cannot have been GFH using his alias because at that point (27 April 1842) he would still have been on his way back from South America on HMS Viper?
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Re: George Frederick Helsden born 22/12/1822

Postby Justmaz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:17 am

We believe so sparrow, but as in all things GFH we are open to other schools of thought. We have spent many hours, days, weeks, years labouring under the assumption we are on the right road, only to find that we missed a turning along the way.
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