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John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby Sucher » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:05 pm

I have been sent a huge amount of what seems like very well-researched information about the Bowater family from a source in the States. The family has a large cluster in and around the West Midlands going back a long time - mid-1500's. 'My' (very poor) branch doesn't appear in the research but I'm hoping that there could be a connection.

Here's what I know:

John Bowater married Jane Wicks 4 January 1878 in Greenwich, both are aged 25, so year of birth for both is 1852? John's father is William, occupation glassblower. I have found the couple on the 1891 census which gives their county of birth as Worcestershire and Warwickshire respectively. The research waters are muddied by a John James Bowater born 25 February 1853 in the same area who definitely is in the data I received. John James's father is also John James, born 18 July 1813.

Basically, I'm stuck, any advice would be very welcome.

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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby trace » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:57 pm

Just tracing them in Census returns

1911 living Dudley
John age 59 b Dudley
1891
John age 39
Jane age 40
1881 Dudley
John age 28
Jane age 26

and possible death Dudley 1924 age 71

so birth is around 1851-53

There is a birth in Dudley although registered in 1850 for John Bowater but probably illegitimate as no mothers maiden name recorded. (Possibly baptised 1 May 1853 St James Dudley, mother Caroline Bowater)
Another in Dudley 1847 and 1855 both with MMName ELLCOCK
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby Sucher » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:43 pm

Hi Trace

Many thanks for this. However, I am more or less 100% sure that 'my' John and Jane are living in Greenwich 1891. In 1901, Jane is a widow and living in Woolwich, John having died in 1897. Jane gives her birthplace as Leamington. One of the reasons for feeling sure about this that one their children is directly related to my family

Your research illustrates my dilemma perfectly! Too many bods named John from the same area.

Thanks again

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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby trace » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:28 pm

OK.... then they are living with her father in 1881
33 Albert Rd, Woolwich

John age 28 gives his birth place as Brierley Hill, Staffs
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:32 pm

Death then is
Sep 1897 Woolwich 1d 802
Bowater, John
age 49

Which makes him older than the other records, but obviously he didn't give the info!
1851 census, in Rowley Regis, John Bowater, 1, born Staffordshire, "son" to John and Sarah Bowater (is John Ditta on ancestry, piece 2028 folio 195 page 15) Reg dist is Dudley
Sarah was 53!

Following him forward
In 1861 he may be John Bowater, 10, born Kingswinford, visitor to Eli and Betsy Bowater, living in that place.
1871, John Bowater, 20, bricklayer, born Kingswinford, lodging with Abraham and Jane Oakley, again in Kingswinford.

Since Brierley Hill was a chapelry in Kingswinford, the most likely, possibly only, candidate in 1881 may be the one in Woolwich mentioned by trace, which is your one.

trace wrote:There is a birth in Dudley although registered in 1850 for John Bowater but probably illegitimate as no mothers maiden name recorded.

March 1850 Dudley 18 303
Bowater, John
mother —

Looks a distinct possibility. Struggling to find Bowater glass blowers.
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:47 pm

Now we have a complication regarding the John in Rowley Regis (call him John Ditta)
England Deaths and Burials
Name: John Bowater
Burial Date: 16 November 1853
Burial Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford
Age: 3

Likely his mother was Mary
Baptism 10 March 1850, Rowley Regis St Giles
John Bowater
mother Mary
abode Treacle Street

John Ditta was in Treacle Street in 1851 with John and Sarah.
But I suspect he may be out of the picture with that burial (though we don't have full details) and therefore the 1850 Dudley birth registration may be out as well.

If so, we are still left with John the visitor in Kingswinford in 1861, actually in the ecclesiastical district of Brierley Hill. Reg district Stourbridge
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:19 pm

Could Eli Bowater help?
This must be his baptism
24 Oct 1830, at Brierley Hill
Eli Boweter
parents Joseph and Charlotte. Father an Iron roller
(info from FreeReg)

A bit strange now. A marriage at Dudley, 12 May 1834
William Whittaker + Charlotte Boweter
Two transcripts say they were both single.

In 1841 in Kingswinford (piece 996 book 8 folio 44 page 17, some glass makers around!)
William Whitaker 40 Lab
Charlotte Whitaker 30
Harriet Whitaker 4
Margaret Whitaker 3
Mary Whitaker 1 month
Eli Bowater 11
Christopher Bowater 7

June 1841 Stourbridge 18 468
Whittaker, Mary Ann
mother Bowater
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:57 pm

On to 1851, Kingswinford
William appears to be dead

piece 2036 folio 455 page 36
Village of Brierley Hill
Charlotte Whittaker Head Wid 40
Eli Whittaker Son 20 Iron Worker
Christopher Whittaker Son 16
Margaret Whittaker Dau 9
Sarah Whittaker Dau 5
William Whittaker Son 3
John Whittaker Son 1
Mary Ann Whittaker Dau 7
All born Brierley Hill.

That youngest son, possible birth reg
Sep 1849 Stourbridge 18 454
Whittaker, John
mother Bowster (close enough?)

But what about William, when did he die? So far in Stourbridge district, the only one I can see is
March 1848, Stourbridge 18 457
Whittaker, William
age 57

And he was buried at Brierley Hill, 22 March 1848
It would make him rather older than the rounded down 40 year old in 1841. But if it was Charlotte's husband, then he would be pushed to be the father of John!

What happened to John Whittaker born 1849? Could he be the John Bowater who is around later?
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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby Sucher » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:06 pm

Thank you Ian and Trace. Now my head hurts. Assuming these are the same people:

Henry Wicks, John's father-in-law. In 1871 he says he was born in Stoke Poges, Bucks. In 1881, he was born in Beddington, Surrey.

Jane Wicks appears to have been born in Leamington most years. Good girl.

John Bowater was born in Worcestershire in the 1891 census but in Brierley Hill, Staffs in 1881 as found by trace.

I'm going to work through Ian's suggestions and with an atlas to see the distances between the placed mentioned.

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Re: John Bowater - Born ca. 1852

Postby Sylcec » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:01 pm

Good idea to consult a map, but when doing so you also need to consider the topography, not just the distance. It is much easier to travel 8 or 10 miles on flat land or along a local river or canal, than 1 mile over a steep escarpment!
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