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Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby PaulH01 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:56 pm

My ancestors Robert Robson and Elizabeth Wallis married in Hexham in 1819.
Thomas Robson born 1830 is their son, who I think is my great great grandfather.

Both of his parents have proved very hard to trace, but I think that Robert Robson is the one born in Ingoe, Stamfordham in 1799. I have some census information which seems to back this up.

There were few Elizabeth Wallis/Wallas/Wallace births recorded in Northumberland to match this. A few family trees on Ancestry seem to focus on Elizabeth Wallis, born 1791 Tynemouth to John Wallis (a mariner from Weymouth) and Margaret Ord. The problem is that I have found a record on FreeREG that shows she may have died in 1796, and there are regular births after that for the family.
An Elizabeth Wallis born Knaresdale in 1796 appears to have married William Oliver in 1818.
There is an Elizabeth Wallis born Haltwhistle in 1795 which also might be possible.
Even though Elizabeth Wallis/William Oliver married in Haltwhistle, by reference to their children's names in the 1841 Census, it looks like the one from Knaresdale who married here.

Elizabeth seems to have either died before 1841 (where Robert Robson is described as a widower) or is not living with him (there is a possible 1841 census entry for her and daughter Jane in Newcastle, both of the right age).

Is anyone looking at either of these families, or has anyone any ideas?
Thanks
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Re: Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby ciderdrinker » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:32 pm

Hello
Let's start with Thomas's baptism
Either 2.6.1830 at Hexham s of Robert and Elizabeth Robson blacksmith of Gateshead or
1.2.1828 at Ovingham s of Robert and Elizabeth Robson .
It's this latter one that fits with the 1841 census you have at Ovingham for Robert an ag lab age 40 with son Thomas 12.
Other children at Hexham
Mary 3.9.1820
Jane 19.3.1823
Robert 24.8.1824
John 26 .9.1827

There is a burial for Elizabeth Robson at Ovingham 4.10.1829 of Prudhoe age 34 so born c 1795.

1851 census does give Robert as a widower age 56 born Ovingham
This seems to fit with a baptism at Ovingham
Robert Robson s of Thomas and Ann 28.6.1793.

1861 at Prudhoe
Robert Robson 68 ag lab Ovingham
Ann wife 63 Allendale

1871 Prudhoe with son Thomas born 1830 and d in law Sarah and he is again a widower age 78.
It looks like Robert died June qtr 1879 age 87

If we assume a Scottish nameing pattern then sons Robert,John and Thomas would be after father and grandfather's which may suggest a father John for Elizabeth.
But obviously that doesn't work for the girls.

Does any of that help?

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Re: Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby PaulH01 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:30 pm

Thanks Ciderdrinker

I'm pretty sure it's the first one, unfortunately.

I've looked at the Ovingham one before, and although Robert and son are together without Elizabeth by the time of the 1851 census, there are a number of things that make me suspect the Hexham/Gateshead connection - most notably the 1861-1901 Censuses which all have my Thomas Robson coming from Hexham.
He married Ann (Agnes) Martin in Durham in 1857 and lived there until his death in 1901. My great grandmother Margaret was born in Broomside in 1869.
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Re: Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:48 am

PaulH01 wrote:He married Ann (Agnes) Martin in Durham in 1857

Surely then you know whether his father was a blacksmith or a labourer?

The blacksmith was in Longbenton in 1841
piece 822 book 4 folio 27 page 5
Township of Walker
Engine Street
Robert Robson 43 Blacksmith, Yes (born in county)
Robert Robson 16 Fitters ap. Yes
John Robson 15 Labourer in Iron works Yes
Thomas Robson 12 Forgemans assistant No
Mary Ann Robson 20 Yes
Elizabeth Robson 7 Yes

Thomas being not born county would fit with the Gateshead abode on that 1830 Hexham baptism.
ciderdrinker wrote:2.6.1830 at Hexham s of Robert and Elizabeth Robson blacksmith of Gateshead
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Re: Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby ianbee » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:14 am

Still in Longbenton in 1851
piece 2411 folio 111 page 15
82 Engine St
Robert Robson Head (widower) 48 Black Smith
John Robson Son 22 fitter Iron
Thomas Robson Son 20 Mill Furnace Man, born Durham Gateshd
Elizabeth Robson Daur 15

I'm not going to make a stab at the other birthplaces!
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Re: Elizabeth Wallis/Robert Robson

Postby PaulH01 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:15 am

Yes, it's the blacksmith. Childrens' names mostly confirm it too, and that also gave me a clue with Agnes, which I think may tie back to Ann/Agnes' grandmother, Agnes Hay, in the Northumberland Borders.

Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear - it's the Elizabeth Wallis side of things that I'm having trouble with, not the Thomas Robson side (although a lot of his side is fairly 'circumstantial', there is enough to make me (relatively) happy it works, at least as far as his father Robert b 1799 Ingoe, Stamfordham (died 1882 Tynemouth workhouse) - not sure before that.

That 1851 Census is hilarious - I make it that first two are Stamfordham and Hexham Fell, having looked at the original... :-) Elizabeth Robson is Sandiford, which is not far from the 1841 abode.

It took me ages to spot the right Thomas Robson in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses, it's good to know I got the right ones, and I'm really impressed you spotted the right one so quickly. This is where asking someone experienced is so useful..

Thanks for checking it out
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