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Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby JMcK » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:22 am

Joseph COOPER probably born Kirk Deighton, Yorks. Certainly married there to Ellen PETTY 8 August 1804.
She was born 1781 Cowthorpe, York, so assume he was about the same age.

In 1841 Ellen was a shoemaker's widow in Kirk Deighton, She was buried there 24 May 1873. Is a widow from 1841 onward.

There is a burial in Kirk Deighton for a Joseph COOPER 20 Nov 1837 age 59, Abode Kirk Deighton

BUT BUT in March 1839 their daughter Elizabeth's banns were called at St Mark's Woodhouse and they say she was living with her father J. Cooper at Woodhouse. At her marriage, residence Woodhouse and father Joseph Cooper, Shoemaker. If it wasn't for the banns notice, I would just assume they forgot to add deceased on the marriage cert.

So - can anyone see another death that might be Joseph between 10 March 1839 and census night 1841?

Edit - just been checking through subsequent marriages up to 1849 - not one of them says deceased.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby ciderdrinker » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:17 am

Hi
If it helps their marriage licence of 1804 gives them both of Kirk Deighton age 25 and 23 years so he would be born 1779.
I can't see a death for him either in Hunslet,Wetherby or Leeds.
But could she have lied?
It's a lot easier to get the banns read just in one parish.I notice they are both from Woodhouse on the banns and perhaps she just wanted an easier life.
How big is Woodhouse? Would the Vicar have known everyone in his parish?

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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby JMcK » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:31 pm

Thank you for looking Ciderdrinker. Those are my thoughts too. I cannot see another Joseph in Kirk Deighton that that 1837 death could be. However familysearch refers to Woodhouse as a Hamlet. So not large at all.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby Denny_the_Wench » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:17 pm

Woodhouse is a small area in NW Leeds of approximately 1 sq mile accross - a large part of which comprises Woodhouse Moor which is still a green area today. It starts approximately where Leeds University is and St Marks Church is still the centre point. There is a good chance that the Vicar would have known everyone in the parish.

You can see it if you look at the Old-maps website... won't let me post a link but just search for Woodhouse, Leeds.

I note from FreeBMD's that there is a Death for a Joseph Cooper in Leeds, registered in March Quarter (Deaths Mar 1841- COOPER Joseph Leeds 23 238), could this be him as the 1841 census in the Leeds area was 8th June.

Good luck with your search
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby JMcK » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:40 pm

Thank you very much for that. I’ll order it I think.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby ianbee » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 pm

But the matching death reg for the Kirk Deighton burial would be
Dec 1837 Knaresboro 23 157
Cooper, Joseph
age 59

If he was a shoemaker, and preferably with Ellen as informant, that would answer all the questions straight off.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby ianbee » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:21 pm

Denny_the_Wench wrote:
Deaths Mar 1841- COOPER Joseph Leeds 23 238

This is strange. Age on death in the new GRO index is 55.
Local indexes on Yorkshire BMD (no age given) has sub-district Holbeck, ref HOLB/4/4
We can see this is the same one (there is in any case no other JC death in Leeds in March qtr 1841) - "Adjacent Entries" are James Wrigglesworth and three others who all have that same GRO reference.

But burial at Holbeck, 14 Feb 1841, Joseph Cooper, age 45!
The previous burial entry at Holbeck is James Robinson, age 78, and the one after is John Reynolds Lowe, age 27. And they are two of the other names on (vol 23) page 238. And their ages on burial do tally with the new GRO death index.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby JMcK » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 am

Thanks Ian, yes, I’ve been reviewing and it’s all just weird. I’ve ordered the Leeds one. Will see what that says but I can see I’ll probably have to get the Kirk Deighton one too.
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Re: Joseph COOPER, Yorkshire death about 1840

Postby JMcK » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:55 am

2 x Death certs in for Joseph COOPER

Kirk Deighton death
18th November 1837 age 59 occupation Shoemaker. notified by George Mountain, Parish Curate

Holbeck Death
7th Feb 1841 age 55, Labourer. notified by Mary McDougall present at the death.

So the Kirk Deighton death satisfies everything except the fact that his daughter Elizabeth is supposedly living with him in March 1839 when she married Thomas WIGGINS

1841 census has Thomas Wiggins an Ag lab (he was supposedly a joiner at his marriage) and Elizabeth and a son Joseph age 1 all in Kirk Deighton Village. Joseph was baptised at Kirk Deighton 12 Sep 1839 father Thomas a Labourer. Next door is Samuel Wiggins and family. Samuel a farmer which fits with name and occupation of Thomas' father at marriage.

It all seems to fit very nicely except for Elizabeth living with her father after he has died and the occupation of Thomas. The marriage is the one and only time he is recorded as a joiner. He is a labourer through all the baptisms of his children, last one in 1858.

1861 he is a porter in a spirit vault and in 1871 a brewer. At his death he is described as a Common Brewer.
Thomas and Elizabeth both died in 1874 and the executors for Thomas were two of Elizabeth’s brothers. John COOPER the elder of Sheffield, Merchant’s Clerk and Charles COOPER of Bradford, Overlooker in Woollen Mill.

Do I just assume that for reason's unknown (she would have been 3 months pregnant at the marriage but that doesn't seem a good enough reason) they holed up in Woodhouse for a bit (Witnesses at the marriage were not family) and pretended that whoever Elizabeth was living with was her father.

thanks, Jo
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