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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby Amazinggrace » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:58 pm

In the case of my 5xGgrandad. He was transported to Australia on board the Brittania convict ship
on the 3rd fleet in 1791. Thanks to WDYTYA staff I have found that he did not survive the journey. This was assumed because he got on the ship but didn't get off in NSW. Presumably they just tipped him overboard. He was 45.No death certificate.I hope his wife and family back in Dumfries were notified of his death but think not.
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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby Karen196 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:31 pm

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This is all I could find on FMP, I couldn't find the heart failure bit as I was on the library computer. I wanted to find out if he was buried at sea or in a port which wasn't his home. I tried to find the death on GRO using the references given but I don't think I ticked overseas. I suppose you are right even if I get the death cert I won't necessarily find the burial.

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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby ianbee » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:39 pm

I'm totally confused by findmypast, because I found it this morning, but not just now. Looking through "My Records" retrieved it.
These records are free to view on findmypast until 8 February. So if you are registered as a free member you can view it at home.
AdrianB38 wrote:Archive reference BT 334
Box 0038
Page 15

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record? ... e%2f449560

With image! Has to be said, it is poor quality.
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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby AdrianB38 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:57 pm

Karen - the details about heart failure are on the BT334 image linked to the BT334 screen shot that you show. What you show is the FindMyPast index to the BT334 image. There's nothing on that BT334 that mentions burial so the *probable* thing is a burial at sea. But really, that's just a best guess.

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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby ianbee » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:06 pm

Also this at TNA
Ref: BT 165/237
Ships name Castano
Official Number 113420
Date of Voyage 16 January 1906 - 4 May 1906.

BT 165
1857-1972 Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Ships' Official Logs
This series contains ships' official logs kept by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen and its predecessor.....
The ships' logs for the years 1902-1912 contain entries of births, marriages or deaths

Also see shipping reports in newspapers to confirm dates of departure and arrival
Location of the Castano at the time the death of Mr Rapol was discovered/reported (see the BT 334 record)
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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby ianbee » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:24 pm

AdrianB38 wrote:the details about heart failure are on the BT334 image linked to the BT334 screen shot that you show.

Honestly, I'm not sure of that Adrian. Of the four entries for Rapol/Rapal in 1906 on findmypast, I can only get to see the desired image via the one I gave the link for. Which is for Luciano Rapol, (18 Jan 1906), BT 334, Deaths At Sea 1891 – 1972

It also begs the question of why the Rapal entries are indexed for month 2 (February)
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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby AdrianB38 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:13 am

Sorry Ian - Karen's screen shot looked so much like the index accessed from the link that you gave, that I thought that it was the same.

I searched for Luciano Rapol and got just 4 UK records - 2 domestic and 2 Overseas Deaths and Burials. One of the latter 2 appears to be the GRO index. The other is the TNA / BT page with the heart failure comment inked in. No index that matches Karen's screen shot. Hence my confusion, assuming that any BT 334 for him must be the same.

Du'h - I see - Karen's is for L Rapal and is the piece / box before. That image appears to show what I bet is the internal Board of Trade index book to the next piece/ box, which contains the Luciano Rapol death with about 14 columns.

I better finish now before I get even more confused....

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Re: Death at sea - are death records available?

Postby Karen196 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:08 am

Thank you. I must have found it in a different set of records as the image I saw only mentioned his name and nothing else. This is what I was looking for ianbee, thank you


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