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Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby JMcK » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:16 am

I’m sorry, this is a bit long winded.

May MARTIN b 24 May 1876 according to will of Fred Smart her adopted father.

In 1881 she is 4, b Southport, Lancs. visitor in the Bradford Yorkshire household of Fred Smart age 50 a widower, his daughter Clara age 22, his son Francis Frederick age 7 and a domestic servant Edna Sorby age 26 born Clayton Yorkshire.

Fred Smart married Edna Sorby June 1882

In 1888 Fred died and his will written Feb 1886 includes a bequest of three houses 9, 11 & 13 Pollard Street, Bradford, to “my adopted daughter May Martin commonly known by the name May Smart”

In 1891 May features as the adopted daughter of Edna, born Southport
1901 she is still in Bradford, As May Smart, visiting the Leighton Household. Born Southport

In 1904 she married in Bradford as May Smart, gives Fred Smart deceased as her father.
In 1911 she is with her husband Henry Reynolds and 2 sons. . Once again says she was born Southport.


Only trouble is... I can only see 2 Salford Births as possibles one with MMN Adams and One with MMN Watkinson. Neither name means anything to me.
Plus I think Southport should be in the Ormskirk reg District. ??

How and Why did a 4 yr old child end up with a 50 yr old widower?

Fred Smarts sister Olivia Lisette Smart was married to Frederick Hector Martin. She had her last child by him on 21 June 1879. Bolton reg . By 1881 she is living separately from him and has a lodger John Frederick Richardson Pease by whom she has 2 children one in 1882 Bolton reg as Martin and 1886, Salford reg As Pease. She married John Pease Jan qtr 1886, so I don’t think May Martin can be hers.

It is possible I suppose that May Martin is a grandchild of Olivia’s but the only likely candidate for the mother (or father) is a daughter who would have been only 13, Which I concede is not impossible, but seems unlikely especially if one of the Salford baptisms is the correct one.

Any other suggestions for pinning down which birth to order gladly received.

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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby ciderdrinker » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:57 am

Good Morning
For starters she's not the Martin/Watkinson birth.That little girl is with her parents Joseph and Emma Martin nee Watkinson on the 1881 census and her mother on the 1891.

In fact checking all the May Martins in June quarter 1876 gets us nowhere as they are all with their parents on the census.
The other registration you mention is baptised 1 Nov 1876 at CC Salford d of Henry and Ellen but with a birth date of 6th Aug 1876.

June 1877 gives us one in Rotherham,not her and one in Barton who dies age 5.
I've checked them all 1875-1877 and they are all accounted for.

Southport comes under Ormskirk at the time and the only May registered there is a May Bretherton who is also with her parents Joseph and Mary.
The only Martin couple I can see at Ormskirk are on the !871 census Thomas Martin and Jane Boyle from Ireland.They have a daughter Rose Sep 1876 Ormskirk but that's all ,no May.

So where did you get that birth date? And could she have started life with a different first name?

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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby phsvm » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:25 pm

In fact there is another possible May registered in Ormskirk - May Kirk in 1877 but it's not her as she can be traced on later census returns.

May and her husband moved to Buckinghamshire where she dies in 1936. Her death registration gives a year of birth as 1877 - which is why I looked at May Kirk as a possible for her.

If Olivia married Frederick in 1860 and had her last child with him in 1879 why wouldn't May be theirs? Just because their other children were registered in Salford it doesn't mean all of their children had to be. You say Olivia was with John Pease by 1881 but had another child in 1882 whom she registered as 'Martin'. This does rather suggest she was happy to give inaccurate infomation to fit her needs. Whose to say all the information about May is correct?
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby Amazinggrace » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:55 pm

Hi,I had a May I couldn't account for in my tree. She was my mothers younger sister who died aged 10
months. Everyone said May.After much searching and tearing out of hair, I discovered she was known as May but was christened Mary.
Good Luck
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby phsvm » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:58 pm

I had wondered if May was in fact Mary. There were a few Mary Martins with births registered in Bolton in 1875/76/77 so if all else fails it might be worth having a look at them.
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby JMcK » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:25 pm

ciderdrinker wrote:For starters she's not the Martin/Watkinson birth....

So where did you get that birth date? And could she have started life with a different first name?

Ciderdrinker


Thank you very much for working through all those so systematically, I had done it, but didn’t say because I had convinced myself I must have mucked it up somewhere.


The birth date is in Fred’s will.

Thanks too Grace. Will check the Marys.
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby ianbee » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:32 pm

What about -
June 1876 Ormskirk 8b 782
Sorby, Mary Rowe
mother Thompson

What is the connection to Martin? I've no idea, maybe there isn't one!
I cant see any more Sorby-Thompson births, nor a preceding marriage.
I only mention it because of Edna Sorby, who married Fred, and here is this unaccountable Sorby birth stuck in Ormskirk in June qtr 1876.
Further back in time, Edna's mother was Thomson/Thompson? There's a niece of that name with the family in Clayton in 1861.
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby JMcK » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:28 pm

That seems worth a punt, I’ll order it in and see what it says.

I hadn’t even considered Sorby because of the fact she says she is her adopted daughter in 1891.
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby ianbee » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:35 pm

Hi Jo
It's a Southport birth by the looks of things, but do check it all out. Her sisters may have all been married? It is a strange one though, it's the one and only Sorby birth in Ormskirk, according to FreeBMD.
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Re: Who was May MARTIN b 1876

Postby ianbee » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:35 pm

JMcK wrote:That seems worth a punt, I’ll order it in and see what it says.

Jo, quite extraordinary, I just ran a google search and this came up, via TNA website
Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies
D 52 - Notley Abbey, Long Crendon
Reference: D 52/4/10
Title: Birth, baptism, marriage and death certificates
Description: Birth Certificates

Loads of Sorby birth certificates! Edna's family -
Edna, daughter of John and Martha Sorby, b. Clayton, 12 November 1854.

and
Mary Rowe, daughter of Henry and Edna Sorby (Thompson) b. Southport, 24 May 1876.

Here
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... 929f9e88c1

Even Fred and Edna!
Marriage certificates
Fred Smart and Edna Sorby. Bradford. 29 June 1882.

Someone made quite a collection!
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